Chariho School Parents’ Forum

March 25, 2007

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Filed under: Chariho — Editor @ 3:52 pm

The following comment was posted under the previous post:

1.      THANK YOU MR. PETIT
It’s nice to know someone is working FOR chariho, rather than against.
Keep up the excelent work, one can only hope that Scott Bill Hurst’ call for a recall provision of school committee members passes, so we can consider getting rid of a paticular member.

Hopkinton Educational Options committee does nothing more than support the opinion of the two people who are on it, they are in the minority in this town. Its about time they either get something done, or have something get done to them (removal from the committe by town council).

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  1. I have deleted additional comments by our new Curious Resident. If they want to post under a unique name they will be allowed.

    Comment by cspf — March 25, 2007 @ 6:24 pm | Reply

  2. Good evening,

    The pleasure and strength of this country is that we have free speech in a democratic country. It is understandable although unfortunate that persons prefer anonimity with a screen name, but there is no dishonesty in that. Using anothers posted name however is cowardly, disingenuous and unethical. I am very interested in many persons viewpoints, but anyone who abuses their rights under the 1st Amendment is showing a serious lack of confidence — and probably truth — in his/her statements.

    I have to say, though, passing yourself off as another is often humorous and very silly when discovered. I like the Inquisitive Local however — nice variation.

    Comment by BarbaraC — March 25, 2007 @ 8:13 pm | Reply

  3. Hey, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery from what I’ve heard, so I’m pleased someone thought enough of my screen name to take it for themselves! That said, I ask that they offer their opinions under their own screen name. I don’t care who they are, their opinions will stand or fall on their own merits.

    I do find it telling that ideas and opinions from a powerless citizen such as myself would be a concern. Perhaps I hit a nerve?

    By the way, I gave the Singapore Math placement test to another Chariho student this evening. This student is in 5th grade and they scored in the latter half of third grade. Way to go Chariho.

    Additionally, this 5th grader’s parents said that having the student in the same environment with teenagers has already begun to effect behavior and attitude. They are understandably frustrated.

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 25, 2007 @ 8:42 pm | Reply

  4. I had no intentions of imitating Curious Resident, nor any interest in flattering him/her. Merely an interest in keeping the same anonimity as Curious Resident. Again it seemed quite clear that the two were different curious residents. What I am interested in is stirring up some lively conversation.

    Comment by Inquisitive Local — March 25, 2007 @ 8:52 pm | Reply

  5. And by the way BarbaraC, nice editorial, low blows are certainly your thing!

    Comment by Inquisitive Local — March 25, 2007 @ 8:53 pm | Reply

  6. “No intention of imitating Curious Resident”? Sure, because you couldn’t think of any other screen names that would offer you anonymity? Too funny!

    I think it is more likely that you are frustrated by anonymity. I guess that Hopkinton residents being able to speak their mind without worrying about the implications for themselves or their families can be irritating for those who are not used to being challenged?

    As I’ve said before, identity is of little consequence. Although I admire Mr. Felkner, Ms. Capalbo and others for their willingness to tell us who they are, I suspect that they can’t be as honest as they might otherwise would be if they were anonymous. Since they are elected officials, it’s probably good that they let us know who they are, but believe me, I’m a mere resident discovering things and commenting on them. I have no power and no agenda other than protecting the welfare of my family and my community.

    I truly appreciate the ability to have my voice heard and to hear voices of others. You may fear my opinions, and it seems some do, but only my ideas are a threat. I am not. If my opinions upset you, I suggest you look inward rather than outward.

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 25, 2007 @ 9:10 pm | Reply

  7. Well I am certainly pleased that you and well what, three others? have found a place to share your ideas. I’m sure you find it effective.

    Comment by Inquisitive Local — March 25, 2007 @ 9:39 pm | Reply

  8. Depends what you consider to be “effective”? I am interested in keeping informed, and from that standpoint, yes, this website is extremely effective. Others can choose to remain ignorant or informed, whatever their preference.

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 25, 2007 @ 10:05 pm | Reply

  9. Very true very true, I suppose this is better than nothing. The newspapers don’t really assist too too much, do they? Mr. Felkner does provide some “unique” information. While I don’t always disagree, it doesn’t convince me that as Barbara C has said that we either have the worst students/teachers or the worst curriculum/admins. Your thoughts? Anyone else care to join this conversation?

    Comment by Inquisitive Local — March 25, 2007 @ 10:21 pm | Reply

  10. I don’t read The Sun. It’s not dependable and prone to make “friends” with certain town officials.

    I first began reading Hopkinton Speaks prior to the last election as I hoped to be as informed as possible before voting on local candidates and issues. I discovered Mr. Felkner’s candidancy and website from Hopkinton Speaks. Mr. Petit, Ms. Capalbo, Mr. Buck and Ms. Fontes also participated and sought votes there.

    My personal life makes it very difficult to be actively involved in the community on a day-to-day basis. I rely heavily on the Internet and I am grateful to both Mr. Felkner and the originators of Hopkinton Speaks. I wish more citizens would participate on these local websites, but I guess some voters do not understand modern information sources. Other citizens don’t have the time or the desire to educate themselves before voting. Not much can be done about it…and prior to the local websites, I was less informed then I should have been, so I who am I to criticize?

    As for the reasons why our schools perform so poorly at such a high cost, I’m no education expert, but I’m sure the “experts” do know why and the solutions aren’t palatable to them so they keep clamoring for more money with little improvement in results. We seem to live in a country that feels that solution to many of our problems is that we need to spend more money and impose bigger government. These strategies never seem to work. I simply do not agree and I resist this misguided notion.

    Since you do not agree with Ms. Capalbo’s or Mr. Felkner’s assessments of why Chariho costs so much and delivers so little, perhaps you have a theory of your own to proffer?

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 25, 2007 @ 10:48 pm | Reply

  11. I never said I disagreed with the cost element to Chariho, in fact someone needs to take a fine-tooth comb to there budget. However, what I dislike is this negative attitude brought towards Chariho while insisting that it change. Negativity never brought about change, some of the ideas that they (Mr. Felkner, Ms. Capalbo, etc) bring up are quality ideas, the presentation is lacking. Everyone is welcome to their opinion and their means to convey it, it just rubs me the wrong way.

    Comment by Inquisitive Local — March 25, 2007 @ 11:01 pm | Reply

  12. Also I don’t think Chariho delivers “little” they turn out bright students every year, going to various colleges, or on their way to various professions, I sincerely believe they prepare our youth for a brighter future.

    Comment by Inquisitive Local — March 25, 2007 @ 11:03 pm | Reply

  13. Have you been following the TERC math curriculum issue? IF so, what is your opinion on Chariho’s decision to stick with the program even in the face of continuing and widespread evidence that the curriuculum does not prepare students for higher level math? Do you think “change” is always bad? Would your attitude be negative towards an administration that refused to consider the damage being done to our children?

    If you had given math placement tests to 4 different students taught using the TERC curriculum, and all 4 students scored at a year and a half to 2 years below international math standards, would you have a “negative attitude”? Would you “insist” on “change”? What if you could look at the frustrated faces of students as they pondered fairly simple math problems and had no clue? Would that alarm you? Would that impact your attitude?

    How about if school budget figures were misleading, and while school administration and committee members publically claim that the budget is only increasing 3%, you discover that actual expenses are increasing by around 9%, would you look negatively upon the attempt to fool taxpayers? Would you insist that Chariho “change” the way they report spending?

    What if you had a 12 year old daughter, an 11 year old son…your child was fairly typical. Didn’t get in much trouble. “Stupid” was the harshest word he knew. She wore clothes that were appropriate for children. Then your local school system decides to force your child into a teenage environment. Your child has not hit puberty. Your child still retains the innocence of youth. And POW, the next thing you know she comes home and wants to dress like the town slut. You can’t believe the language coming out of his mouth. Would your attitude be positive or negative about the school. Would you insist they change back to a configuration that separated teenagers from pre-teens? What if the school told you this was not possible even thought student population had not risen substantially from a time when teens were separated from pre-teens? What if the school wanted to spend more money erecting buildings that virtually assured that teenagers would continue influencing younger children? Would this anger you or would you be happy?

    Sorry, but we spend a fortune educating Chariho children. Much, much more then is needed, and certainly much more than the education value we receive in return. Sure, some students will make it to college. But getting to college isn’t the end all and be all. I’m more interested in how many make it out of college? Definitely some students will have a “bright future”, but is the future of Chariho students as “bright” as they should be?

    Hey, I’m all for happy thoughts and smiley faces, but I’m not willing to throw away children or money simply to delude myself into thinking all is right with Chariho. When Chariho gives as good as it gets, I’ll be dancing in the streets. Until then, my attitude will remain appropriately negative and I will continue to advocate for change.

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 26, 2007 @ 7:53 am | Reply

  14. Curious Resident,
    Thank you for your point-of-view, it is appreciated.
    While I hoped to stay anonymous for the pleasure of saying whatever it is that I liked (for purposes such as playing devil’s advocate), Mr. Felkner has advised me to let all know that Inquisitive Local is Andrew McQuaide. I must say that I enjoy this website as a place to stir up conversation (it is unfortunate that you and I are the only two who seem to take the greatest interest), and to reveal what you have so eloquently stated in your last post. To post anonymously however was wrong, and for that I apologize. This website is enlightening in many respects, and your point of view is something that I am not privy to otherwise. I find it concerning the level of interest in community affairs such as the school is so low, I was hoping our conversation would encourage others to speak. And I still do, so I hope to continue our conversation, except from here on out (at the request of Mr. Felkner) all communications will be signed by myself.

    Andrew McQuaide

    The math curriculum is somewhat disturbing, in regards to what I have seen from Mr. Felkner, the school committee and myself have taken a certain interest to it.
    I have personally felt that the use of calculators are being used as, what my old math teacher would call, a “crutch”. Any opinions on the calculator Curious Resident, others?

    Comment by Andrew McQuaide — March 26, 2007 @ 12:27 pm | Reply

  15. Mr. McQuaide I commend you for identifying yourself. Being a decision maker sometimes comes at the cost of anonymity. Mr. Felkner and Ms. Capalbo publically voice opinions that some find controversial, and I’m sure you are up to the challenge as well.

    I suggest you visit some of the websites linked to this website to get a thorough understanding of TERC curriculum. you may find that your view changes from “somewhat” disturbing to “very” disturbing. As a first hand observer of the results of TERC, I can’t help but feel very badly for any students taught math (or not taught math) using this misguided curriculum.

    As for citizen awareness, Mr. Felkner could probably tell you if this website gets visitors who read, but don’t participate? I hope there are some, but in any case, I know I personally interact with local neighbors and friends and share information I learn here.

    Although my family has been personally impacted by the awful decision to use TERC curriculum, I had no clue what was going on until Ms. Capalbo shared with the community at the Hopkinton Speaks website. We have now purchased Singapore Math textbooks for our family and for children my wife tutors. If these websites deliver nothing else, they will have served to have gotten 5 children back on the right educational path. I hope it is not too late.

    Please contribute here as often as possible. We will not always agree I am sure, but I value different perspectives. As I suggested in another post, if your priority is our children, I am not opposed to you, even if I oppose some of your opinions.

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 26, 2007 @ 4:37 pm | Reply

  16. Oh, I forgot to address your calculator question. When I first began researching TERC I found an interesting website from a few years ago. It was an invitation to New England teachers to attend a TERC sponsored seminar. The teachers were to receive a $1000 stipend, food, lodging and two Texas Instrument calculators. I’d be very interested to find out who paid for these seminars? Was it Texas Instruments? Was it TERC? Did Texas Instrument “donate” calculators?

    Keep in mind that many of these calculators are extremely expensive. If Texas Instruments did fund seminars or “donate” the calculators, I wonder why they would do this? I am a believer in capitalism, but it needs to be recognized so we don’t make poor decisions for our children based on sophisticated marketing techniques.

    It is also revealing to discover that TERC, based in Cambridge, MA, is a non-profit company which receives funding from the National Science Foundation (I believe a taxpayer funded institution). If TERC, a non-profit, is paying teachers to attend seminars where I’m sure TERC curriculum is heavily marketed, who pays for this? In a roundabout way, we may be paying for the promotion of a curriculum that harms are very own children. How sad is that?

    In visiting TERC’s website, I couldn’t help but notice that the non-profit is very involved in advocating for more females in the fields of science and mathematics. While this is a worthwhile goal, was the TERC curriculum developed to theoretically suit the learning style of girls? If so, there is a political component to TERC and this also needs to be recognized for what it is. Learning needs to be placed above gender politics.

    Ultimately, whatever the reasons for TERC curricular being implemented at Chariho and other schools, I believe it clearly fails children. Pointing fingers is secondary to removing the curriculum before any more children are denied the math skills vital for future success.

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 26, 2007 @ 5:13 pm | Reply

  17. Andrew,
    Thank you for making your statement, although I did not ask you to identify yourself. You asked me what you should do and I said that as a member of the Chariho School Board, anonymous posting was inappropriate. People should know who you are and what your views are.

    That being said, I do appreciate you coming forward, on your own initiative, and that is commendable.

    CR, to answer your question regarding the number of hits this website gets.
    Normally, we get 20-30 per day. However, some topics generate much more traffic.

    When I posted the budget, we reached as high as 156 hits. When my first letter was published that mentioned this site, we had a high of 119. Today we are up to 282.

    Most people would prefer to remain silent and let their actions speak for them. A lot of people look at this site, their “actions” will not be determined until ballot day.

    Bill Felkner

    Comment by cspf — March 26, 2007 @ 6:23 pm | Reply

  18. Wow, those are impressive numbers for a local website. If, like me, readers discuss these topics with friends and neighbors, I suspect your efforts here are very worthwhile.

    Comment by Curious Resident — March 26, 2007 @ 6:29 pm | Reply


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