Chariho School Parents’ Forum

September 19, 2007

Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Filed under: contract negotiations,Unions — Editor @ 8:26 am

Please read the ProJo article about the current contract negotiation with the support personnel (pasted below). 

I have to run, but will post a response when I return – the highlighted points (in bold) are simply not true.  Get a good look at how the NEA operates and then visit Anchorrising and see how they did the same thing in East Greenwich.

Chariho support staff union agrees to more talks

01:00 AM EDT on Wednesday, September 19, 2007

By Maria ArmentalJournal Staff Writer

RICHMOND — Members of the support-staff union at the Chariho Regional School District overwhelmingly voted yesterday to return to the negotiation table, with one caveat: the Sept. 30 deadline still stands.The vote was 147 to 1.

“If we have to meet four days in a row, round-the-clock, that’s what we’ll do,” said Carri Barr, president of Educational Support Personnel, which represents 166 teacher’s aides, clerks, and maintenance workers in the tri-town school district.

“After Sept. 30, we will meet with our membership again to discuss our options,” Barr said.

Barr would not say if that meant a strike but said the union had agreed the three-year contract — which expired June 30 but has been extended three times — will not be extended again.

Barr said the union, working with National Education Association Rhode Island, will file for mediation tomorrow, 10 days prior to the expiration of the latest extension.

Negotiations began nine months ago.

Barr said while discussions were “somewhat productive at the beginning,” progress has “lapsed.”

“I feel it’s two steps forward and five steps back,” she said.

“They are asking for things that our members cannot afford to give up,” Barr said, declining to comment on specifics.

Barr said the parties had settled about 30 percent of the issues.

Supt. Barry J. Ricci said the School Committee had presented the union with an offer that was met with a counteroffer from the union. He didn’t elaborate, but said, “with a little more talking, we certainly could get this settled.”

Union members at yesterday’s meeting said health care and benefits remain the most contentious issues. According to union members, health-premium copayments, currently at 20 percent for those hired on or after July 1, 1997, would be extended to more union members and possibly increased to 30 percent for some.

Other contracts in the district call for copayments ranging from 5 to 15 percent.

District, School Committee, and union representatives last met on Sept. 10.

Following that meeting, union leaders deferred another negotiation session that was originally scheduled last night, calling instead for a general membership meeting to update its rank and file on the status of the negotiations.

In less than an hour, union members restated their support to their union representatives, calling for the contract to be settled by the Sept. 30 extended deadline.

After the meeting, union members emerged from the closed-door discussion wearing pro-union green buttons reading: “No Contract. Still Working. Chariho ESP.”

“We want everyone to know, that we live in this community, we work in this community, we support this community,” said Barr, a Richmond resident who has worked for the district as a clerk at the high school for the past 11 years.

“We would like to see it [the contract] settled,” union member Julie Buchanan said, “within the next week would be fine.”

“I don’t want to see people’s taxes going through the roof,” said Walter Schmeller, a Richmond resident and maintenance worker for the district for the past 20 years. “We don’t want anything more than what the taxpayers can pay.”

Still, he said, “we are the lowest paid, but they are asking us to give up the most.”

Salary increases for support personnel, he said, have historically been below cost-of-living increases and far less generous than other district contracts.

The union’s negotiating committee, led by Barr, includes nine members.

The School Committee’s representation, led by vice chairman Andrew Polouski, includes Deborah Jennings and William Felkner.


PS.  Don’t you just love this quote – “We don’t want anything more than what the taxpayers can pay.”  



  1. Funny you reference the quote at the end. As I was reading the article, I got to that quote and thought to myself that I would highlight the quote in my response. You beat me to the punch!

    He might as well have said, “No, we’re not selfish. We simply want to squeeze every last dime out of the taxpayers’ pockets!”

    I’m amazed when people take government jobs which should and must have limited potential for pay and advancement, and then expect the rest of us to provide them with a standard of living which goes well beyond the expertise and education required for the job.

    My advice to any children or union members reading here is to get a good education in a field with value to other people. If you make the right choices now, you won’t be whining later about low pay.

    In my life I’ve had some miserable jobs. Ever work in a chicken factory or bus tables? I worked hard, but recognized there wasn’t much potential for high pay or decent benefits in cleaning chicken or tables. I personally took responsibility and moved forward in life until I gained the skills and knowledge necessary to become employed in a career that met my goals.

    There are plenty of jobs which will give these employees the wages and benefits they want from us. Instead of striking, each of them should enroll in college or start a business.

    Do your homework. Don’t take Basket Weaving 101. Assess the market and find a product or service that people will knock each other over to get. Once you get educated or sell something of value, you won’t need to ask the rest of us to give you our money to make up for the poor choices you’ve made.

    The other odd thing about this story is the involvement of NEA. Does it occur to these school employees that their compensation is directly related to how generously teachers are paid? NEA costs the support staff because when the NEA is done gouging taxpayers, the pie is so small that the only resources available are the crumbs left behind in the trough.

    Let them strike…and I hope they take the teachers with them! This could be win-win because a strike of several years would mean lots more home/private schooled kids which we know results in better educated kids AND support staff and teachers can find a career path which justifies the salaries and benefits they demand from the rest of us.

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 19, 2007 @ 10:08 am | Reply

  2. Chicken factory? Why, yes I have – Dardnelle Arkansas

    I would have much more respect for employees if they would say, “We don’t want anything more than what we earn.”

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 19, 2007 @ 12:18 pm | Reply

  3. What’s the odds of that…you worked at a chicken factory!

    Maybe everyone should be required to work with chicken…after that, nothing seems quite as bad. Rancid chicken fat might be thw worst thing I’ve ever had the displeasure of smelling!

    Any support on the committee for letting Chariho close down for the season? Okay, okay, I know, but I can dream.

    How many committee members have family working among the support staff? That should give us a good idea of how much money we’re going to throw away this time.

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 19, 2007 @ 1:12 pm | Reply

  4. Hey, it just occurred to me that these labor issues may deliver information unattainable from Chariho’s administration. We now know we have 166 support staff on payroll.

    How many teachers are threatening to strike?

    All we’ll need when the striking is done is to know how many administrators we have. Any chance we can convince them to go out on strike? I hope they form a union.

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 19, 2007 @ 1:16 pm | Reply

  5. Any individual on school committee with a family member in the bargaining unit (support staff), can not/does not have any part of negotiations.

    Comment by comment — September 19, 2007 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

  6. Great to hear that about family members. Does this mean immediate family, in-laws, aunts, cousins, God parents, etc.?

    If there are school committee discussions going into negotiations, board members with family in the school to not participate in any board decisions or discussions about contracts? Or are these school committee members just restrained from the face-to-face negotiations with their relatives?

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 19, 2007 @ 5:02 pm | Reply

  7. You can check at the AG office but “family” means pretty much what you would think it means – cousins, uncles, etc…

    That being said, there are lines – Bill Day’s wife is on the support contract and his son is on the certified contract (or visa versa – I forget). He can’t work on either. Andy Polouski has a niece on the cert contract – and as you see in the paper, he is on the support contract negotiation team. Bob Petit’s cousin in the administration and he can participate in either.

    That being said – Petit has done nothing but show strong resolve on these issues, I’ve seen no favoratism at all. Besides, my wife is in the NEA in another district (and I haven’t been accused of being biased). I would think if everything was out in the open (like open meeting negotiations), we could tell who was favoring whom.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 19, 2007 @ 5:36 pm | Reply

  8. Good point on open negotiations. I’ve never understood why the negotiations need to be secret. Do we, the taxpayers, have something to we want to hide? Do the teachers?

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 19, 2007 @ 7:55 pm | Reply

  9. I would like to invite any tax payer who would like to do my job for a day to see what I do. I think you would be shocked at what you see. And as for the comment we are not asking for more than the tax payers can pay that was not accurate. I think considering we are exsposed to blood, urine, spit, and feces on a daily basis we at least deserve a cost of living raise. I mean after all a loaf of bread or a gallon of gasoline cost the same for me as you . I mean maybe if we get rid of some of the assitants and the assitants for the assitants maybe some of these six digit salary big wigs could do what the tax payers pay them for. I’m sure you don’tknow that there are kids sitting in the lunchroom hungry because they have no money but administation in the past have had christmas parties with things on the catered menu from aramark are scallops wrapped in bacon, stuffed mushrooms etc. or catered meetings with chicken cordon bleu, asparagas bet you didn’tknow that!!!!!! I do know being a custodian for eighteen years and counting that I my self have given more than one student lunch money and never thought twice about it. I could go on and on but maybe in another comment.

    Comment by Jeanne — September 20, 2007 @ 5:12 pm | Reply

  10. Please read the following post for a description of salary increases. The lowest was 3.25% the highest was 16.3% as outlined in the current contract.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 20, 2007 @ 5:30 pm | Reply

  11. Well I appreciate the comments of Jeanne, and I agree totally that Chariho’s administrative costs are way to high and we have way too many administrators. The description of assistants to assistants is maddening, and the thought of culinary masterpieces at my expense is frustrating.

    Unfortunately, giving away the store to administrators and teachers does not mean we should then give away the store to the support personnel. At some point the School Committee has to say enough is enough.

    As for your financial generosity with students, perhaps if Chariho wasn’t gouging taxpayers, parents would be able to afford to by their own kids lunch?

    Mr. Felkner provided a link to the support staff contract. With steps included, your annual raises are far above what most of us receive working for private employers. Why should we be expected to be okay with pay increases that exceed what we get?

    The work you do may not be easy or pleasant, but you didn’t take the position thinking you were on a lucrative career path, did you? As I advised in another post, if your career choice isn’t satisfying and doesn’t pay well enough, maybe you should seek alternatives?

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 20, 2007 @ 5:36 pm | Reply

  12. In response to Jeanne September 20 while I agree with some of the comments what I don’t appreciate is some one using my name next time use your own!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Jeanne — September 21, 2007 @ 11:19 am | Reply

  13. I’m sorry but I have a problem with the response to “Jeannes” comment. I like my job as a custodian. I feel good knowing that the kids in my building are drinking from a clean water fountain not one that was cleaned with a toilet brush by another custodian who really doesn’t care. I like knowing that my kids are eating off of a clean table as opposed to them eating at one that has a “clam” on it from the kid befor them (and by “my kids” I mean ALL of the students in that school, I have no children in the Chariho District. I also feel good knowing that when they use a bathroom that I had cleaned they’re not going to catch something because they hadn’t been cleaned for a few days. Yes I chose to be a custodian and I’m glad. I have met alot of different kids both elementary and high school. I get along with ALOT of them, I joke with them, and sometimes comfort or console them. I, like “Jeanne” have given many of them lunch money, let me tell ya it’s rotten to see a kid sitting and watching their friends eat but they can’t because they have no money. I don’t want to hear “well maybe their parents can’t afford it. I raised a child on my own and put my self in debt for her and I’d do it again. I didn’t have the money but for my child I FOUND IT. Like every one else out there who gets raises or benefits and paid days off, we too deserve something for what we do. We are not only custodians but we are like family to alot of these kids and we like it. You can tell when you make some kids day, or they want to quite school and we sit and try to talk to them, yes while their teachers may be pushy, we tell them it doesn’t end there. When you get into the real world you meet the same kind of people. We do alot more than just clean. We are not asking for 6 digits. A cost of living raise would be nice and let us know that we may be appreciated by the people we work for and some of the parents who’s kids would rather eat their lunch with me than with their friends.

    Comment by toothfairy — September 21, 2007 @ 1:19 pm | Reply

  14. TF, well said and appreciated. I remember being at the Ashaway School and being extremely impressed with someone and the attention they were putting into cleaning the drinking fountain. That is why, again, speaking to the statewide issue of private sector versus public sector employees – we want our public sector employees treated exactly the same as private sector employees. No better, no worse.

    That means the best employees are rewarded and those that are not getting the job done will find their niche elsewhere.

    Regarding cost of living increases. If you have been told that you do not receive cost of living increases, you have been misinformed. The analysis of the current contract is located here –

    The average raise for people on the steps was over 9%. The minimum raise received under the current contract when not on steps was 5%. COLA is 3.33.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 21, 2007 @ 1:40 pm | Reply

  15. Toothfairy seems to get a lot of satisfaction from his/her job. This is great…we should all be so lucky.

    As Mr. Felkner points out, and it is obvious from a review of the contract, support staff received at least COLA and usually much more. No one is asking support staff to give back raises that have been well above COLA. Although if Toothfairy’s logic was to prevail, that would be reasonable.

    The problem, as reported in the article, seems to be benefits. Mr. Felkner once again hits the nail on the head as he asks government/union employees to be treated the same as those of us in the private sector. Why should government/union employees expect me and my neighbors to give up more of our hard earned money so you can have better pay and benefits than us? It makes no sense.

    With all the nice things you do for “your” children, you obviously have a good heart. I ask that you and your fellow union members try to give a darn about those of us footing the bill. We’re not as cute as kids, but we’re still humans.

    If parents aren’t sending their kids to school with lunches, report them to DCYF, they are failing in their parental role, but don’t use your good deeds as an excuse for gouging taxpayers. Use more than your heart, use your head.

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 21, 2007 @ 3:23 pm | Reply

  16. I agree with the benefits, yes everyone should be EQUAL right? Well the administrators pay a whooping 5% of their insurance, the teachers don’t pay any of their insurance. Ok so here you have some very well paid people, then you have the support staff not making anywhere near what these other people are making and they want us to pay 20-30% of our insurance which I belive would be about $200.00 every two weeks, leaving about $600.00 every two weeks for 1 support person to live on. Now if that support person has to raise a child, do you really think that can pay a mortage, by food, pay electricity and a telephone bill, buy clothes for this child and whatever medical attention that child needed? I can tell you from personal experience NO it can not. I’m not complaining about the teachers because some of them (SOME) are worth what they get. I’m a taxpayer and yes we’re being gouged but is it really from the support staff? Do we all ready make that much that we are putting you in the poor house? I’m sorry but the wrong people are be prosecuted here. All that money that you pay is not going to us.

    Comment by toothfairy — September 21, 2007 @ 4:01 pm | Reply

  17. I agree with everything you say about the administrators and teachers. As I point out in another post, teachers earn anywhere from $48 to $73/hour. Teachers are way over paid. This is terrible, but it does not justify paying support staff well above what they could reasonably expect to receive in the private sector.

    I’m sorry if you’ve chosen a career path that does not provide enough income for you to pay your bills. I suggest that you look for alternative employment or work on learning skills that may be more financially rewarding. I’d also recommend that you teach your children that the choices they make now will impact them for the rest of their lives.

    Taxpayers should not be expected to compensate you and your colleagues for poor career choices. The low wages of a custodian, or secretary, or administrative assistant, or whatever, are well known. I’ve held similar positions in my life and always knew what kind of pay I could expect to receive for this kind of support work.

    As it is, as a government/union employee, you already receive pay and benefits far beyond what one could expect to get in the private sector. To come here and tell us you should get more because other school employees gouge taxpayers is nonsensical. We’re not that stupid, and I don’t think you are that stupid either.

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 21, 2007 @ 4:29 pm | Reply

  18. I was not involved in the contract negotiations for the admin so I can’t speak to the logic or reasoning – but I can tell you what the contract currently says – the admin were not paying any co-pays. The new contract has them paying 5% this year, 10% next and 15% the third. Where it goes from there will be decided at the next negotiations.

    I will say the same thing I said previously, I think all public sector employees should be treated like their private sector counterparts. No better – no worse.

    If you have a problem with the sliding scale or amount of co-pay for the administrators (and I do too) then I suggest that you tell the board members that were involved in that negotiation. That would include Andy Polouski, Bill Day, George Abbott, Giancarlo Cicchetti, and Deborah Jennings.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 21, 2007 @ 4:43 pm | Reply

  19. Why tell them if I have a problem with it. They will probably say the same thing that I believe you said befor “If you want a better pay, get a better job”. You as well as the admin staff look down on us like we are dirt and that isn’t right. We are human just like you and the admin. We all put our pants on the same way-one leg at a time. Just because some one went to college and can apply for a better job than I can doesn’t mean that you can treat me or any of the support staff like dirt. I mean we don’t even get a thank you, hell we are lucky if they even say hello to us or good morning. They say it to the teachers and the aid but the custodians, oh my. Yes I could have or can go to college and do the same but I am trying to get out of debt from raising a child as a single parent. No that is no excuse I know. As a custodian I don’t think this district or any other for that matter realize just what we do. We are expected to lift things that weigh hundreds of pounds, move full class rooms around at a minutes notice, clean vomit, spit (clams),blood, urine, feces. That alone is unthinkable but some one has to do it. If not one of the custodians than who? We are expected to perform miracles according to Mr Ricci even though we are short staffed. We are lucky that we are able to take our breaks and even then if he or another admin comes around we get nervous because we think we are going to get in trouble even though it’s our break time. That’s just not right. We are not asking for the world.

    Comment by toothfairy — September 21, 2007 @ 6:25 pm | Reply

  20. If you do not want to speak with the board, I understand. However, you always have the option of who you vote for, assuming you are in the district. Just make sure you vote for someone that will deal with that issue.

    However, I must take exception to your comments. I believe I have always approached this conversation and you with respect.

    And I disagree with you on another point – a college degree is not always necessary – and in my opinion, receives overblown credit.

    I started in a pet store as temporary help filing papers in 1994. I applied for a clerk position. After a while, I was made assistant mgr. Then manager. Then one of the dog food companies (Nutro Max) hired me away from them and I was their first rep on the east coast. After that, I became a commissioned independent salesman. I made more money then than I do now – and that was a decade ago.

    I went back to college because I made the personal decision (made with my wife) to make a change. And we sacrificed to do that (and are still paying for it).

    While I was in school, I mostly did construction – some of the people I worked with made six digit incomes. It all depends on the willingness to work and the opportunities to be rewarded for that work. You seem to have the former, the latter you do not. I think that should change, not just for you, but also for every public sector worker in the country.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 21, 2007 @ 7:35 pm | Reply

  21. I’m not saying that your not responding with respect now but in a comment you made a while back. I took it as you looking down on us. We are people and we have feelings. We will not, however, let any big wigs know that the fact that they don’t respond to us hurts. It’s the way some teachers and ALL admin staff react to us that makes us feel like crap. I would love to tell you who the slackers are but I can’t. If you need hints though I could do that. I feel that because of them, the towns people think we shouldn’t get a raise.

    Comment by toothfairy — September 21, 2007 @ 8:30 pm | Reply

  22. I apologize if I said something that gave you that impression – it wasn’t intended.

    Unfortunately, what you say is not uncommon. I can’t tell you how many parents I have spoken with that are not happy – but are afraid to speak out for fear of retaliation towards their children. Your concerns are no different. Whether it is true or not – if the perception is there, the impact is the same.

    However, it only takes one (ok, maybe 2-3) to make a difference. Do you remember Elaine Morgan?

    She had/has a foster daughter who was going to school outside of the district (for special services). Chariho (according to Ms. Morgan) “forced” her to enroll her daughter at RYSE. The daughter had a breakdown and was sent back to the original program. Besides this being an example of a parent who lost control to the school – it also transferred some of the costs previously covered by insurance, and placed them on the school budget.

    Since that time, I have heard that another gentleman who had a similar circumstance has come forward. He took Chariho to court and won. It cost the taxpayers $78,000 to fight one of its own residents and the child lost almost 2 years of adequate care.

    Now think about this – Bill Day shut Ms. Morgan down at the board meeting and would not let her talk. Bill Day was around for the other lawsuit. If he knew that the school already had one lawsuit about forcing students into RYSE – and he intentionally hid that information from the board (via silencing Ms. Morgan) then ask yourself this – Was Bill Day acting on the best interests of the children or the school?

    You see, it all started with Elaine and will grow from there.

    In the case of what you are dealing with – Creating a more efficient school, through the motivation of – or removal of – ineffective employees can start from one person, too.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 21, 2007 @ 9:05 pm | Reply

  23. […] has been sharing some important information in the comments here.  It occured to me that perhaps employees don’t know what school board members face when it […]

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  24. Amazing stuff about the lawsuit! While I am not surprised, I wonder where the media is when politicians like Bill Day take us on a $78,000 ride?

    RYSE is a scam. It was tarnished from the get-go as it was implented in violation of the Chariho Act. They know it. We are learning.

    I am one of the parents who remains anonymous out of concern for my children’s educational well-being. I have family members in education who have spoken out and have had their careers threatened by union bosses. I’m not rich enough to protect my children from corrupt teachers and unions.

    Toothfairy tells a sad story, but Toothfairy also has options…in my opinion, better options. She/he chooses to remain in a position knowing that some custodians, teachers, and administrators are stealing our money vis a vis unearned wages. You can’t know all this and then complain when taxpayers say enough is enough.

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 21, 2007 @ 10:37 pm | Reply

  25. When the teachers wanted a raise way back when and tax payers complained that they get paid too much already, the comment from the teachers was “You don’t care about your childrens education”. What does their raise have to do with your childs education? Personally I think a custodians, maintainence, aids, or clerks raise should go by their performance of their job. Let them “watched” and if the job they are doing is considered good or great give them what they deserve. If their performance is under par, well then tell them in 3 more months we’ll give another try. The key here is though don’t let them know they are being watched. If you tell some one that this is going to take place they’re going to put on a show.

    Comment by toothfairy — September 22, 2007 @ 9:32 am | Reply

  26. I think Bill Day has been on the school board long ehough.

    Comment by toothfairy — September 22, 2007 @ 9:36 am | Reply

  27. Actually, one could make a very good argument that the current structure, one that rewards seniority over achievement is exactly the opposite of doing what is best for the kids.

    And by the looks of the current complaint filed by Pete Gingras, it appears they don’t want me on this or the teachers negotiations committee. Why?

    I think you see where the roadblocks are – I wish more employees had your vision. Or if they do, I wish they had your courage to speak out.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — September 22, 2007 @ 10:58 am | Reply

  28. Toothfairy gets it. His/her union does not. He describes it perfectly. I don’t even have a problem giving a person 3 months to clean up their act.

    Toothfairy also understands that Mr. Day and his collaborators have been exceedingly generous to teachers and administrators with our money.

    You can be sure that Mr. Gingras wants you off the negotiation committee. He fears your common sense approach. Who can argue with public sector workers being treated the same as the rest of us in the private sector?

    Considering we’re the ones paying the bills, to argue that government employees are entitled to better wages and benefits than the private sector is ludicrous on its face.

    Mr. Gingras also cowers at the thought that you will keep the public informed. NEA spreads misinformation through the media as you clearly prove in another post, yet when you share truthful information with the tax-paying public, they try to shut you down. The hypocrisy oozes out of these people.

    Comment by Curious Resident — September 22, 2007 @ 12:24 pm | Reply

  29. […] Here is some info put out by the NEA about the current state of affairs in the contract. […]

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  30. Which is exactly why I can’t tell you straight out who is not doing their job. I would have admin all over me instead of them. All they (admin) have to do is leave their comfy little offices and look around. If someone isn’t where they’re supose to be then they need to inquire as to where they are. Oh an yes Mr. Day is quite generous with our money as far as admin is concerned. Every other thing they have a new car or they’re putting additions on their houses. Support staff can bearly afford food. Just as long as the administrators are comfortable every thing is good

    Comment by toothfairy — September 22, 2007 @ 9:48 pm | Reply

  31. […] is not unlike the false comments made in the press after the NEA meeting last week.  So, we have a similar analysis done for the […]

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  32. Since when was the pay of a SUPPORT STAFF JOB supposed to support a whole family?? These are IN REALITY PART-TIME JOBS!! Yet they already get FULL TIME Benefits. I think it’s time we looked into SUBCONTRACTING OUT… OUTSOURCING THE SUPPORT STAFF! The Food Service is already OUTSOURCED, and most of the workers do not get health insurance, and that would NOT be our responsibility any longer. There are MANY LEGAL ALIENS that will JUMP at the chance to work as support staff. If a parent wants to be in school , they should be on the PTA instead and NOT on the support staff. CHARIHO takes too much advantage of the generosity of the tri-town taxpayers!!

    Comment by teethbrush — October 1, 2007 @ 1:29 pm | Reply

  33. Go ahead hire out!!! Just remember…You get what you pay for. When your kid comes home with some kind of disease because your-legal or illegal aliens-are not doing their job you can blame your self! Westerly tried it already and guess what?!! They went back to custodians. I would love to see any parent clean up someones vomit other than their own child, or clean a clam out of a water fountain, or feces off a bathroom wall. Even pull books out of a toilet that have been crapped and pissed on.

    Comment by toothfairy — October 1, 2007 @ 6:31 pm | Reply

  34. Good Grief TF, sounds like you may be a nurse! Guess what? Patients have feeces and urine on them. Work in the ER! You will get puched, kicked, vomited on, peeed on, and see the worst abuse! BUT it is just part of the job. It has its highs and lows, and you are exposed to disease, chemicals, and even…lawsuits! Iamgine that!

    Comment by Georgies Mom — October 5, 2007 @ 2:49 pm | Reply

  35. Good Grief TF, you have so much to look forward to. Why do you need a raise or your vacation or your personal time. Your job is soooo rewarding enough why even get paid? Let me guess the nurses don’t ask for a raise right. They work for a base pay and that’s that right?

    Comment by concerned parent — October 9, 2007 @ 11:26 am | Reply

  36. When I worked as a nurse, there was a yearly, incremental raise that was tied into your evaluation. (For instance, if you did an excellent job, you might get “bumped” up a step) also, you could get FIRED! bUT USUALLY, THERE WAS AN OVERALL “COST OF LIVING” TYPE OF RAISE YEARLY, which was 2% to 5%, based on experience and cost of living. Wages for nurses are MUCH higher then they used to be, but the level of responsibility is VERY great now, also. We had “warnings” for poor performance, and other types of unacceptable behavior in the workplace. Get three or so, and you were out! Later, I went and worked for a private for profit company, and the expectations were far greater for performance and work. There, it was a salary situation, which meant many 70 to 80 hour weeks when a “crunch” came, competitive evaluations, and anything from a GREAT raise and promotion to a 2% raise if your performance was in the lower 10% of employees. Many for profit companies are unsure if they SHOULD hire people from government (state, federal) or “non-profit” areas, as the work espectation is so different. Work is NOT over at the end of the day, there are no times for class preparation, and there certainly is no guarantee of continued employment, unless productivity is up and you are an asset to the company. DEAD WOOD IS CUT PRETY DARN QUICK !

    Comment by Georgies Mom — October 10, 2007 @ 1:39 pm | Reply

  37. Well unfortunately we can’t get rid of the DEAD WOOD. They are protected for being slackers.

    Comment by toothfairy — October 10, 2007 @ 5:22 pm | Reply

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