Chariho School Parents’ Forum

May 3, 2008

Tiverton’s anti-public sector union example

Filed under: State-wide,Unions — Editor @ 8:32 pm

Anchorrising has posted information on the Tiverton School and the problems created when the unions control the employees.  It has spawned more discussion here and here.

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  1. In reading the article I noticed it says the state now requires high school students to have “adult advisors”. As I said on Anchor Rising, my child already has adult advisors called Dad and Mom. Tell the state to keep their adults off my child.

    No doubt that Rhode Island needs to give parents the choice of schools. Why do we put up with the government taking our money and then only giving us one educational choice? As long as we accept this dictatorial approach to education…moronic status isn’t strictly a trait of Richmond voters.

    We should all give some thought into how much of our parental responsibilities we’ve willingly ceded to the government. Why?

    Comment by Curious Resident — May 3, 2008 @ 8:48 pm | Reply

  2. But who will teach your kids to tolerate deviancies if Chariho adults don’t do it? Who will your daughter turn to if she wants to have sex followed by an abortion? Who will tell your son that masculinity is evil? No, no, Chariho must provide kids with an adult advisor or else we risk them listening to their parents.

    Comment by Real Question — May 4, 2008 @ 12:37 am | Reply

  3. Exactly my point…public school propaganda routinely clashes with the values we teach our child.

    I don’t want a government school choosing adults to advise my child. Public schools have enough problems educating our children yet they want to take on an even bigger role? And we let them? What has happened to parents that we docilely allow the government to have so much control over our children?

    Comment by Curious Resident — May 4, 2008 @ 12:02 pm | Reply

  4. I’m in support of Curious Resident words: our child already has mom and dad – the best advisers.
    We shouldn’t allow this government adviser insanity happen to our children.

    Comment by Schoolman — May 4, 2008 @ 1:11 pm | Reply

  5. Because the city school system thinks this ‘adult advisor’ idiocy is good for city kids does not mean it has any validity with suburban and rural schools – it’s how mandates are created. Whatever happened to guidance councilors – they aren’t good enough anymore? Are their jobs now invalid? Let alone parents – which I understand some may not have – which does not mean we have to supply them.

    It is ridiculous that parents around the state would have to waste perfectly good time, energy and money refuting this proposal.

    Comment by BarbaraC — May 4, 2008 @ 1:40 pm | Reply

  6. The state and the unions want you to depend on them. Good ole Democratic Party in conjunction with the unions, wanting to make us dependent on them. It’s funny how this quickly turned from a state problem to a Chariho problem in just 2 posts. Have I not been saying the first place that needs to change is the control that the Democratic Party and the unions have in this state? Many of the problems that so many want to say are problems at Chariho are actually the fault of state. Change is needed there (the House of Representatives and the Senate) first and foremost. We need to clean house and do it in dramatic fashion.

    Remember this, it’s not something I came up with on my own but something I’ve heard, “Dependency is slavery.”

    Comment by CharihoParent — May 5, 2008 @ 4:44 am | Reply

  7. Charihoparent… Negative people will always draw negative energy. You just have to learn to ignore them and move on. Always pointing the finger and never coming up with a REAL solution.

    Comment by Richmondparent — May 5, 2008 @ 8:16 am | Reply

  8. Just remember as another person put it>>>”Dependency is Slavery”. Many who learn to expect and depend on institutional handouts, NEVER do well on their own, and what a price they pay! Loss of self motivation, loss of dissent (after all, if you don’t agree, maybe YOUR perk will be taken away). Down with dependency! UP with self respect and self motivation! That is what made this country free, and great.

    Demand and expect parents to be parents, and that schools act like learning places, not places to teach dependency and lack of parental respect. Expect parents to set the moral course and climate for children, and shun the liars, cheats, and disruptive. Demend accountability for children, teachers and parents.

    Comment by Dorothy Gardiner — May 5, 2008 @ 3:17 pm | Reply

  9. Yes and CP and RP are one-man think tanks! Talk about negativity. One thinks the only solution is to abolish the union and dissolve the legislature. This is called the 200 year plan. The other one does nothing but ask the same questions 50 million different ways. This is also called the 200 year plan. Are they the best Richmond has to offer?

    Comment by Real Question — May 5, 2008 @ 3:21 pm | Reply

  10. FYI:The bond proposal(H8227) will be reviewed before the House Finance Committee tomorrow at 1 PM.This piece of legislation only appears to address construction projects at the High School, athletic facilities and Maintenance shed.

    Repairs to the Middle School and RYSE are not included in this piece of legislation

    Comment by george abbott — May 5, 2008 @ 8:46 pm | Reply

  11. The legislation was put forth by Scott and Walsh on 4/30. Both of these politicians should be held accountable by Hopkinton voters for their undemocratic actions. Walsh is bought and paid for by Chariho.

    The proposal can be read here: http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText08/HouseText08/H8227.pdf

    As noted by Mr. Abbott the bill specifies spending $17,000,000+ at the High School. The bill says they are not limited to where the money can be spent. The bill also includes the track and landscaping.

    I’m not familiar with the legislative process. I would hope that other local pols will make it known that Hopkinton previously rejected this bond and our Town Council does not support the revote.

    If all else fails we once again need to galvanize Hopkinton voters to reject the irresponsible and non-transparent management at Chariho. Approval of any bond means Hopkinton will continue to have our tax liability dictated by Charlestown and Richmond.

    I urge all Hopkinton leaders to speak out loudly against this anti-democratic bill. Say no to the revote.

    Comment by Curious Resident — May 5, 2008 @ 9:26 pm | Reply

  12. What’s anti-democratic about letting the voters decide? Afraid that a higher percentage of voters from Hopkinton will turn out this time and that the bond just might pass? If you care to remember, the majority of people that cast a ballot actually voted in favor of the bond. It lost in Hopkinton by a scant 40 some votes, not an overwhelming majority if you ask me.

    Comment by CharihoParent — May 6, 2008 @ 6:58 am | Reply

  13. Wow… “Walsh is bought and paid for by Chariho”… sounds like Walsh could get you for slander.. careful what you say….

    Comment by Richmondparent — May 6, 2008 @ 8:06 am | Reply

  14. Are you a lawyer Richmondparent? If not, I suggest you not engage in the unauthorized practice of law. If you are a lwayer, well that would explain lots of things. Ms. Walsh is bought and paid for by Chariho. Has been for almost her entire career. It’s a matter of public record. Good luck with the lawsuit…will you be representing her?

    Comment by Curious Resident — May 6, 2008 @ 10:38 am | Reply

  15. Mrs. Donna Walsh is the House representative from Charlestown. She is also a teacher at Chariho. Obviously there is little time for teaching – a substitute is brought in consistently to cover her working days at the State House. She also still accrues a pension, health and other benefits at Chariho. Even though she may not be able to teach in the school system consistently, any raises are hers regardless of her presence.

    She also has a stipend, pension and health care available through the House. I would suppose since there are two places she could take health care – one of those will be a several thousand dollar buy-back.

    This is public information.

    Comment by BarbaraC — May 6, 2008 @ 12:31 pm | Reply

  16. If this latest attempt at screwing Hopkinton families makes it out of committee and onto the governor’s desk, I would expect the Hopkinton TC to make their position crystal clear to the governor. He’s desperately looking for places to reduce spending and if Hopkinton tells him we rejected millions in spending once and it is undemocratic to force another vote on us (along with the expense), then I would think the governor will pay attention and save us all money by vetoing the bill.

    Comment by Real Question — May 6, 2008 @ 1:12 pm | Reply

  17. I agree. The governor’s office is probably the next line of defense.

    Based on Mr. Hirst’s reporting the revote proponents were out in full force in Providence today. I wonder if the Chariho employees took a personal day to engage in the political maneuvering?

    Like it or not we may have to fight the battle in Hopkinton. I’m optimistic because Hopkinton families expressed their frustration with Chariho by soundly rejecting the latest budget. This would seem to point favorably to a keen level of awareness on the part of Hopkinton. Factor this with our previous rejection of the bond and there is reason to believe Hopkinton will hold strong.

    Regardless of whether one looks upon the bond favorably or not, anyone with intellectual honesty must admit there is something undemocratic about Chariho constantly seeking revotes every time they don’t like a result. Ms. Walsh and Mr. Scott should be remembered by the disenfranchised voters of Hopkinton from now until they are defeated. They, and all other political leaders supporting the revote, are an embarassment.

    Comment by Curious Resident — May 7, 2008 @ 12:42 am | Reply

  18. I can’t speak for all Hopkinton families but I can speak for mine. Many of us supported the first bond before we heard all the issues. None of us will support another Chariho bond or budget until tax equity is in place or at least until Richmond and Charlestown consider our financial situations and demand less employees and lower spending. I know Petit votes with the other towns. I’m tired of seeing only Felkner and Abbott be the only one voting no to more and more spending. We won’t support a bond/budget until Hopkinton families are supported in their efforts to get Chariho under control. Charlestown says no to equal taxes and we say no to more spending. Are we as determined to fix Chariho as Charlestown is determined to destroy Hopkinton?

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — May 7, 2008 @ 8:47 pm | Reply

  19. TorC,

    Very good question. Thank you.

    Fix the school – then fix the funding? Or fix the funding and then fix the school.

    Comment by BarbaraC — May 7, 2008 @ 9:34 pm | Reply

  20. We think the funding MUST be fixed first. If not it will stay broken. Chariho has been leaking for years. It has been leaking money.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — May 7, 2008 @ 9:41 pm | Reply

  21. We have a 50 year history that proves funding will not be fixed until all towns are motivated. Charlestown may never have enough motivation because the reward for stagnation is amazingly high. Charlestown is more likely to withdraw than agree to fair taxation. I doubt they will even withdraw until Chariho degrades even more.

    Richmond is going nowhere. They draw a line in the sand screeching how they will withdraw if Hopkinton doesn’t do this or do that, but they always draw a new line in the sand. Their latest gambit is forming a withdrawal committee. Big deal…the committee will come up with a few expensive ideas and Richmond’s Town Council will threaten, but if Hopkinton stands firm Richmond will move the line once more.

    I wonder if they’ll ever figure out that the answer is simple…cut spending; reduce taxes; negotiate fair, private sector employee contracts; and then ask Hopkinton families to spend a little extra for infrastructure. No surprise when Chariho acts responsibly Hopkinton families will respoond appropriately.

    We should fix funding first. Then we can talk.

    Comment by Curious Resident — May 9, 2008 @ 1:36 pm | Reply

  22. Nobody wants to fix the funding hence failed bonds. If we can get the real numbers not matters of opinion or of the heart we can move forward somehow. This bond will go down in flames as the rest do. You can tell its an election year by Reps Scott and Walsh actions. Dead wood. Mr. Scott must be taking it out on Hopkinton because his son lost his council seat. Of course if Jr. showed up once in a while instead of doing more important things Jr. might have made it. Of course if Jr. brought something to the table once in a while when on the council . . .. Just another example of addition by subtraction.

    Comment by Question Mark — May 9, 2008 @ 7:15 pm | Reply

  23. Lets hope that the Hopkinton Voters support their leaders of the council regarding Chariho since roughly 80% of their dollars support the budget. The council said no, voters should back their electorate.

    The other tri town voters should back your pocketbooks as well.

    Their is more in common (among the districts) than meets the eye. Its time to start pushing up. Show me the paper trail, the results. The district is like feeding a dead horse.

    Comment by Question Mark — May 9, 2008 @ 8:14 pm | Reply

  24. Aaah, so the Rep. Scott who is trying to railroad Hopkinton is the father of the former Hopkinton TC member named Scott? And the son lost or did he choose not to run again? Did the younger Scott leave the Hopkinton political scene on bad terms? What’s the chances daddy Scott is seeking revenge on Hopkinton by disregarding our original bond vote?

    As for the leaders having the support of the people, no offense to anyone but I think the people understood the Chariho problems even before some of our leaders. I’m thrilled to death by Hopkinton TC’s strong position against a revote. They do us all proud by insisting Hopkinton families not be put into the poorhouse by less burdened Charlestown families. Barbara Kenney is of no use but the rest of them should be reelected by a grateful community.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — May 10, 2008 @ 12:33 am | Reply

  25. Todays news the board is putting in new rules to keep information from making it to the public was disturbing. The TC did a good job this time but the more information that stays hidden the easier it will be for Chariho to fool voters. I didn’t know anything about the track being fixed with a bond until Barbara C. told us. What if she could not find this kind of info because the school board hid it behind procedural tricks. As it is they regularly hide budget info and how well they are teaching the kids. After a few years of asking we still have no idea how much special education really costs or even if it does a better job than the old way? With rules being put it to allow the board and Ricci to hide even more we may never know what these people are doing. Keep you eyes open everyone. We’re paying a fortune and they are hiding in caves.

    Comment by Real Question — May 12, 2008 @ 7:15 pm | Reply


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