Chariho School Parents’ Forum

May 31, 2008

Sub Committee formed to investigate union contracts

Filed under: contract negotiations — Editor @ 9:40 am

During last Tuesday’s meeting, Holly Eaves created a sub-committee to investigate possible changes to employee contracts – presumably in preparation for the upcoming contract negotiations.

I was not available for the meeting on Tuesday but did tell Holly I was willing to join the committee – after all, investigating contract issues is part of my day job and have I provided such consultation to several people in the State House and Dept of Education (not to mention municipal leaders).

I have not heard from her as to who is on the panel.  If anyone saw the meeting I would be interested in knowing who will be on it.

[UPDATE] George Abbott reports that Holly Eaves will represent Charlestown on the committee and Bob Petit will represent Hopkinton.  No word on who the Richmond representative is.  I suppose this will set the stage for who will be on the negotiations sub committee when the contract comes due.

[UPDATE] Andrew McQuade is the third member and Holly Eaves posted details on the sub-committee:

CLARIFICATION on this topic:

This subcommittee is NOT formed to look at union contracts. We as a school committee, as a whole, will be doing that soon.

The following motion regarding this subcommittee was made and recorded in the minutes of May 13, 2008. I made the following motion to form the subcommittee:

“Motion to place on the agenda the creation of a subcommittee to accomplish the following:

With the budget constraints that exist and that are looming in the future, the subcommittee, keeping in mind the education and safety of our students, should make suggestions for action by the School Committee:

1) Review all contracts to assess duration, timelines. Make recommendations to provide the school committee with appropriate information to make future contract adjustments that would allow the school committee to deal effectively with the future budget.

2) Assess job descriptions and responsibilities to fully understand job scope. The subcommittee should assess gaps and overlaps in duties.

These recommendations should come back to the school committee by October 2008 for discussion in order that the School Committee can act effectively in the upcoming budget process and contract considerations. The goal of this is to empower the school committee to plan necessary changes in light of the financial future we are facing.

Potential Subcommittee names:

Budget and Contract Impact Study Sub-committee Mini-Management Study Sub-committee”

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39 Comments »

  1. Hi Bill:Holly and Bob Petit.I don’t recall the name of the Richmond delegate certainly deserve seat at the table.George

    Comment by george abbott — May 31, 2008 @ 10:55 am | Reply

  2. Hi Bill:Holly and Bob Petit.I don’t recall the name of the Richmond delegate.You certainly deserve seat at the table.George

    Comment by george abbott — May 31, 2008 @ 10:56 am | Reply

  3. Good Grief! Bob “lets give away your money” Petit? We are DOOMED!

    Comment by Dorothy Gardiner — May 31, 2008 @ 3:39 pm | Reply

  4. But it’s for the kids! It’s okay to throw away our money as long as we pretend it’s “for the kids”.

    Comment by Real Question — May 31, 2008 @ 4:01 pm | Reply

  5. Mr. Petit is a disaster. He makes token gestures but is ineffective. I suspect he says one thing for public consumption, but his loyalties lie with the employees and administration. What else explains his vocal attacks against attempts to control spending at Chariho while being virtually silent about the issues important to Hopkinton families?

    The biggest joke is having Ms. Eaves on a sub-committee investigating teacher contracts. She is an aspiring teacher herself. I wonder whose side she’ll be on? Talk about the fox guarding the chicken coop. Ms. Eaves will be honestly investigating strategies to reduce her future salary and benefits? How stupid do they think we are?

    Comment by Curious Resident — May 31, 2008 @ 10:26 pm | Reply

  6. Eaves is a teacher or trying to become a teacher? And she is a rep on a sub committee deciding what to do about employee contracts which include teachers? We might be the stupidest towns in America!

    Comment by Real Question — June 2, 2008 @ 7:59 am | Reply

  7. Question: Are non school committee members eligible to be appointed to this sub committee?

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 2, 2008 @ 10:32 am | Reply

  8. Only if you are a teacher or you can somehow enrich you own future income potential at the expense of families. If you have any interest in negotiating school contracts which are responsible and more like the salaries and benefits of the real world then no need to apply to be on the sub committee.

    Comment by Real Question — June 2, 2008 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  9. CLARIFICATION on this topic:

    This subcommittee is NOT formed to look at union contracts. We as a school committee, as a whole, will be doing that soon.

    The following motion regarding this subcommittee was made and recorded in the minutes of May 13, 2008. I made the following motion to form the subcommittee:
    “Motion to place on the agenda the creation of a subcommittee to accomplish the following:

    With the budget constraints that exist and that are looming in the future, the subcommittee, keeping in mind the education and safety of our students, should make suggestions for action by the School Committee:
    1) Review all contracts to assess duration, timelines. Make recommendations to provide the school committee with appropriate information to make future contract adjustments that would allow the school committee to deal effectively with the future budget.
    2) Assess job descriptions and responsibilities to fully understand job scope. The subcommittee should assess gaps and overlaps in duties.

    These recommendations should come back to the school committee by October 2008 for discussion in order that the School Committee can act effectively in the upcoming budget process and contract considerations. The goal of this is to empower the school committee to plan necessary changes in light of the financial future we are facing.

    Potential Subcommittee names:
    Budget and Contract Impact Study Sub-committee
    Mini-Management Study Sub-committee”

    Comment by Holly Eaves — June 2, 2008 @ 1:36 pm | Reply

  10. Holly,
    Thanks for the clarification. Unfortunatly, there are too many on here willing to jump to conclusions without knowing ANYTHING! If Bill Felkner speaks to them, it must be the gospel truth, even if he wasn’t there to hear it for himself. But we’re the morons and idiots. Some people need to go look in the mirror.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 2, 2008 @ 1:52 pm | Reply

  11. I’m confused. The sub committee is not formed to look at contract but it will assess duration, timelines, job descriptions, responsibilities, etc.? Sounds like contract stuff to me. Maybe my brain is too small to figure out the difference?

    So is Eaves a teacher or looking to become a teacher? And is she part of a sub committee that will make recommendations to the school committee about teacher contracts? Seems pretty simple to me if those are the facts.

    Too bad we have to be suspicious of this school committee. With the games played with the bond and the increasing budgets with decreasing student enrollment who can be blamed? Maybe Eaves has nothing to do with teachers or teaching. It would be be nice to think that our school committee is putting families before employees for a change.

    Comment by Real Question — June 2, 2008 @ 1:53 pm | Reply

  12. Scott,
    Makes sense that the answer to that would be no. After all it is a sub-committee of the school committee. Miriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law defines a sub-committee as follows: “a subdivision of a committee that is assigned a portion of the committee’s jurisdiction, holds hearings, amends legislation, and reports to the committee”. And you’re a politician? In some ways, I pity the town of Hopkinton if your elected to a position on either the school committee or town council.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 2, 2008 @ 1:58 pm | Reply

  13. On a separate item within this conversation stream:

    As “Curious Resident” has mentioned, I am an aspiring teacher. I am changing my career and I am currently enrolled at URI for my Masters in Education Secondary Math. My hopes are to be done with in two years.

    My choice, as Curious Resident implies above, automatically casts me in a suspicious light because I hope to be a teacher in two years. I say to Curious Resident, your suspicion and distrust of everything does not give you the right to imply things about my character. If I use the “Curious Resident lens” to look at the world, it would be a pretty miserable place without chance for change. If you do want change, try a constructive rather than a destructive approach.

    My goal on the School Committee is very simple, attempt to deliver an excellent education to the students of our district. YES, unfortunately, we have room to improve and we have some cumbersome systems we have to work within, but I am going to keep trying and striving to do a little better despite your unhelpful comments.

    My current education journey is providing me with useful information on teaching, learning and I find it empowering to to understand with more depth the many issues involved in the many facets of education. As I learn more, I feel I can more effectively contribute as a member of the school committee.

    Comment by Holly Eaves — June 2, 2008 @ 2:03 pm | Reply

  14. So you are trying to be a teacher and you will be recommending negotiation parameters for TEACHER contracts for the school committee? Is that the gist of it?

    Sorry, you could be Ghandi and I wouldn’t trust you to make recommendations for negotiating with a union you sspire to join. Nothing personal because I don’t know you. I wouldn’t trust anyone in your situation. You may call it negative but I think we’d have to be stupid to trust any teacher making reccomendations for negotiating with teachers.

    How about instead of flowery language you tell us with specificity what you’ve done and what you will be doing in the future to improve the poor performance of Chariho? Gotta tell you I watch most of the school committee meetings and I don’t recall you talking about changing the cumbersome systems. You do know that as a member of the school committee you’re in charge and if you don’t like the way things are done you can put it on the agenda?

    I’d also be interested to know if you think more money is a key ingredient in improving Chariho? Do you understand that the more money families give to Chariho the less money they have for their own needs?

    Comment by Real Question — June 2, 2008 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  15. The facts are the facts. Everyone is a big boy or girl and can make their own implications. Do I think it is wise to have a teacher deciding on negotiation strategies with teachers? No. I think it is an incredibly dumb idea.

    As for Ms. Eaves, have you ever heard her push to explore moving 5th and 6th graders out of the Chariho complex? Believe it or not she was once part of a Charlestown group advocating this very thing. I agree with the old Ms. Eaves and share the desire to have the young children separated from the teenage children.

    Funny thing though…now her children are beyond 5th and 6th grade she says very little if anything about the issue as a member of the School Committee (the group who has control). The new Ms. Eaves doesn’t seem to care about the pre-teen children now dealing with the problem. Is it unreasonable to think Ms. Eaves can have selfish interests as a member of the School Committee? Perhaps we should look at her history with the 5th and 6th grade issue and decide?

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 2, 2008 @ 3:30 pm | Reply

  16. Hey considering how badly the board has done negotiating contract Eaves could be the head of the NEA and we couldn’t do worse! The stuff about 5th & 6th grades is something to think about. Politicians aren’t saints as the police logs in RI document very well. Maybe we should expect them to act for their own selfish reasons? Maybe the trick is finding politicians whose selfish reasons work to the benefit of the community? Eaves might have been good to have on the board when her kids were younger. Maybe if she had been on the board then we’d already have the young kids in the elem schools where they belong!

    Comment by Real Question — June 2, 2008 @ 4:18 pm | Reply

  17. RQ and CR, both of you are really incredible! You don’t even know Holly Eaves, I’ve met her, she’s actually a smart woman trying to do what’s best for the school district. Her interest isn’t just Charlestown, it’s the school district as a whole. Your mistrust is misplaced but then again, both of you prefer to criticize rather than discuss. Again I’ll ask, who’s really the morons and idiots when all you can do is criticize everyone who doesn’t agree with your point of view?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 2, 2008 @ 7:39 pm | Reply

  18. Criticize who? I think it is absurd to appoint any teacher or future teacher to a committee recommending negotiation strategies for teachers. You can be Eaves pet rabbit for all I care. I don’t know the woman but I do know it is more Chariho stupidity to have her recommending strategies for potentially negotiating her own employment contract. If she was an advocate for moving 5th & 6th grades back to elem and now is silent than that’s speaks volumes of her supposed interest in what is best. Unless you mean what is best for Chariho employees?

    Comment by Real Question — June 2, 2008 @ 9:17 pm | Reply

  19. It is fair to note that Bill F. has a connection to the NEA too with his wife being in the NEA. Maybe Holly E. can put kids and families before school employees too? Bill is very open with his objectives. Agree with him or not there is no doubt where he stands. If Holly isn’t influenced by her teaching future maybe she can share how she plans on controlling costs and improving education at Chariho? I have my doubts about the whole thing but Bill pushes aside his self interest so maybe Holly can do it too.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 2, 2008 @ 10:43 pm | Reply

  20. Hi!
    My question was not answered. Are all committees even subcommittees only have school committee members. I realize in regular language only members of a body could be on a subcommittee but that may not always be the case.There are committees at Chariho that non school committee members can serve.
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 3, 2008 @ 5:37 pm | Reply

  21. Hi!
    I talked to Barry Ricci last night at Chariho as I was at the Depot Square program put on by students who portayed people who were present to see themselves portayed. Two have since deceased. The only school committee member, I recall seeing was Andrew McQuaide.
    I talked with Barry Ricci about the subcommittee which only school committee members can serve on.
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 4, 2008 @ 10:59 am | Reply

  22. Barry didn’t say when he might be retiring by any chance?

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 4, 2008 @ 11:12 am | Reply

  23. Hi!
    CharihoParent while I might not always agree with Holly’s votes, but I agree Holly Eaves is a smart lady. She was involved in the ACE group, the pro withdrawal group in Charlestown a few years back. I have talked to her in the past but not lately.
    I will state I do not totally know the legal reasoning other than it may be past practice, for the Charlestown Board of Canvassers certifying her election to the Chariho School Committee. Boards of Canvassers are required to certify an accurate count of votes cast in an election. Charlestown had three openings in the 2006 election on the school committee. Andy Polouski was the only one listed on the ballot. Andy McQuaide had a write-in campaign. Clearly McQuaide easily was elected as a write-in but then it gets interesting. As I understand the third place finisher declined to accept the election. Then Holly tied with a person who died after the election. I don’t recall Rhode Island Law allowing the Board of Canvassers to certify a winner who has less votes than those voters are allowed to vote for even if one of them elected declines to serve.
    Regards.
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 4, 2008 @ 11:13 am | Reply

  24. T or C,
    No he didn’t.I was essentially civil. BTW Georgia Ure was one of those portrayed but did not speak to her.
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 4, 2008 @ 11:17 am | Reply

  25. No doubt Holly is smart. We should all be brilliant enough to establish the rules for our own salaries, benefits and other work situations! I hope she reappears and tells us how she is going to protect the community from the outrageous contracts of recent years.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 4, 2008 @ 11:22 am | Reply

  26. Scott Bill,
    Were you portrayed?

    Comment by what? — June 4, 2008 @ 11:42 am | Reply

  27. Regarding the “Contract Sub-Committee”

    Do any of the members actually work? For a private industry?

    Comment by Dorothy Gardiner — June 5, 2008 @ 8:31 am | Reply

  28. Dot,

    Bob Petit works for private industry.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 5, 2008 @ 9:23 am | Reply

  29. And,at present, I believe Holly Eaves does as well.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 5, 2008 @ 9:24 am | Reply

  30. Hi!
    1. “What”, I was not portrayed. Those portrayed had connections to the Hope Valley area.
    2. RI State Rep. Brian Kennedy voted for the revote on Chariho legislation in the RI House. It was unanimous. Check http://www.thewesterlysun.com and http://www.projo.com ,. The only other time I recall Brian voting for a bill not supported by local officials was a bill concerning the Ashaway Fire District years ago he sponsored but was not supported by fire district officials. Governor Almond vetoed it at the time.
    3. Georgia Ure is a former teacher. Barbara Capalbo teaches at RISD,. Generalizations about teachers and their political views toward education topics are not always the same.
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 5, 2008 @ 5:28 pm | Reply

  31. Scott, are we sure Kennedy voted for it or did he just not vote? There were about 20 that did not vote.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — June 5, 2008 @ 7:07 pm | Reply

  32. kennedy was quoted in the sun saying he voted for a revote

    Comment by what? — June 5, 2008 @ 7:31 pm | Reply

  33. The Rag article can be read here:

    http://thewesterlysun.com/articles/2008/06/05/news/free_news/doc484720d0d9a01939516172.txt

    Here’s Kennedy rhetoric regarding subverting the first bond vote:

    “I have heard from many of my constituents just in the past several days regarding these particular acts, and when this was defeated last November, it was only defeated by 47 votes,” Kennedy said. “And people do want another opportunity to have a chance to vote on this, so with that I will give support.”

    Could someone tell Kennedy I want another chance on voting for him. Can he call for another election? I also wasn’t happy with the outcome of the 1992 election. Can we do that one again?

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 6, 2008 @ 9:41 am | Reply

  34. Hi!
    If any of you are game to run against Kennedy the filing period is June 23,24, 25,.On the last day file before 4 P.M.,. File at Hopkinton or Westerly Town Hall. File in town you are a resident of.
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 6, 2008 @ 10:21 am | Reply

  35. How about Eaves and the rest of them look into why we had a parade of teachers retiring at the school committe meeting who began working in the school in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s? The only teacher who worked a reasonable length of time was Donna Walsh who started teaching in 1971.

    No knock on the teachers for taking advantage of our stupidity, but it was sickening to see teachers in their 40’s and 50’s retiring knowing we’ll be paying them salaries and benefits for another 40 years or longer! I’m with TORC and can’t wait for Ricci to retire.

    Comment by Real Question — June 8, 2008 @ 7:12 pm | Reply

  36. The retiring teachers were young. I was extremely jealous to see workers who started after me retiring before me. The reality that I will be helping to pay for their early retirement while working myself is especially grating.

    Another comment from the School Committee meeting. Kudos to Mrs. Capalbo for going to bat for boys. In a discussion on the accelerated program, Mrs. Capalbo asked if there was a breakdown of students based on sex. There was not, but her point is excellent. She noted that girls now dominate on colleges and we need to pay attention in High School before we lose the boys. Mrs. Capalbo’s suggestion was met with snickering by a few on the School Committee. Apparently these idiots aren’t aware of the problems boys are having these days?

    Mr. Cicchetti also noted that requiring students to “write” at the end of a project may discourage students with accelerated math aptitudes (or other non-writing aptitudes). This comment was right on target. My child hates to write and while extremely capable in some areas the writing assignments would probably dissuade participation. I hope they take Mr. Cicchetti’s recommendation seriously.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 8, 2008 @ 8:06 pm | Reply

  37. Holly came here. Added to the confusion about what the committee is going to do. Then didn’t come back. So do we know if she plans on representing the interests of the community or the interests of her future employment contracts? We should trust her why? She’s shown any willingness to stand up for the community when?

    Bob Petit, Andy Mcquaide and Holly Eaves making recommendations on future contract negotiations. Why doesn’t this instill even a little confidence in me?

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 10, 2008 @ 11:29 am | Reply

  38. Boys are struggling to make the grade. Curriculum changes in the 80’s and 90’s were made based on poor research which supposedly showed girls were doing worse in school (they weren’t). Now boys have gotten further behind and all the leftists special interests groups rise together to deny the reality.

    Barbara is right and at the very least we should be making sure that every boy who has the potential to excel is given the opportunity and not left behind because teachers or adminsitrators missed his potential not knowing what to look for. Colleges around the country have many more girls than boys. It’s not even a question that boys are losing ground in school if you look at the facts. Having Chariho school board members laugh about it is disgusting and shows how clueless they are!

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 10, 2008 @ 11:42 am | Reply

  39. Holly Eaves really is trying to manage her sense of business and private enterprise with the collaborative effort a school needs. She does math and computers in real life – I would prefer her to teach students. She has practical knowledge not just esoteric information untried. She would actually know the needs/demands/completions of projects in the industrial/commercial world not just in the classroom. She would be an asset and an improvement.

    Of course, on another note, I often find people laugh when they are nervous at the imposition of political incorrectness in a dialog. Especially when its the truth.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 10, 2008 @ 8:51 pm | Reply


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