Chariho School Parents’ Forum

June 10, 2008


Filed under: 1 — Editor @ 12:49 pm

There is a vote today at Hopkinton Town Hall for the budget and a road bond. It is my understanding that they have taken the road portion of the total budget and placed it in a bond. This may be a simplistic explanation and HTC members reading this are welcome to set us straight.

Either way, get out there and vote!



  1. Richmond also has a Financial Town Meeting this evening at 7PM at the H.L. Arnold Fire Station on Richmond Townhouse Road. To all the Richmond voters that read this blog, please come out and support your Town Council and pass the budget as they have proposed. Don’t allow the funny stuff that the Richmond Senior Citizen Association is trying to get pass the voters and the therefore the taxpayers who carry the full burden of the taxes since most seniors get a reduced tax rate as it is.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 10, 2008 @ 1:30 pm | Reply

  2. I’ve seen some of the senior center issues written about. While I don’t have an opinion on the specific situation, I do find it funny the Richmond TC is determined to hold the senior center responsible for spending tens of thousands while not seeming to care if millions are irresponsibly spent at Chariho with little to no accountability.

    Why the different attitude about the two organizations? Is it because Richmond TC supports any amount of payroll for hundreds of union employees but isn’t happy with the salary of one senior center employee? Pretty hilarious when comparing the TC’s reaction to the the senior center and Chariho. Especially considering how much each group costs the families in Richmond.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 10, 2008 @ 3:50 pm | Reply

  3. Richmond seniors get tax breaks? What are they? How do they get them?

    Comment by Dorothy Gardiner — June 10, 2008 @ 4:31 pm | Reply

  4. Hi!
    I was voter #19 this morning in Hopkinton. The Richmond Town Council certainly should be held accountable on all its actions, however in the Senior Citizen Center it appears they could be correct in regards to that centers handling of finances as I understand it.
    The Richmond Town Council’s handling of Chariho is a different matter. Vinnie Cordone in tonight’s Westerly Sun responded to comments made recently about his employment status at a recent council meeting there.

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 10, 2008 @ 5:18 pm | Reply

  5. TorC, that’s where you’re wrong about the Richmond TC. They are concerned about Chariho and the runaway expenditures. In case you haven’t noticed, Councilor Oppenheimer continualy hops on it and keeps raising the point that it is the Chariho budget that has hurt the towns. He’s just as perplexed about Hopkinton’s failure to recognize that a bond is more helpful than harmful. Simple accounting explains it. The bond is spread out over 20 yrs as opposed to paying for it through the annual operating budget. Something you continually fail to grasp.

    Dorothy, Richmond seniors have had a tax break for many years. It’s governed by ordinance and is adjusted upwards annually to reflect the changes that we see every year in our finances. I do believe that you go to either the Tax Assessor’s office or Tax Collector’s office to get more information.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 10, 2008 @ 5:50 pm | Reply

  6. Scott,
    A matter of clarification. It’s not the Richmond Senior Center, there’s no such animal. The Richmond Senior Citizens Association uses the Richmond Community Center. I know the association would love people to think that it is their place but it really and truly isn’t their space. It is an in kind contribution that the town allows them to use the space at no charge. That in kind contribution alone is estimated at approximately $42,000 the last time I heard.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 10, 2008 @ 5:56 pm | Reply

  7. SBH-
    DO you really think ANYONE cares that you were voter 19???????

    Comment by what? — June 10, 2008 @ 6:38 pm | Reply

  8. Yeah, Oppenheimer cares so much he issues votes of confidence. If Oppenheimer and the other clowns in Richmond went after Chariho’s management with any of the anger they express about Hopkinton TC we might actually make progress getting Chariho spending under control. They are a joke.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 10, 2008 @ 6:47 pm | Reply

  9. TorC, there is anger. It’s been there for some time. Not my fault you don’t really know what’s going on like you pretend that you do. I’ve seen it, I’ve heard it, I know it. You just prefer to live in blind and deaf ignorance.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 6:46 am | Reply

  10. What?, my thoughts exactly! Who the heck cares what voter he was, all that matters is that people get out and vote their conscience. Unfortunatly, town finances don’t seem to garner much interest. It’s one item that voters have the most control over and they choose to throw away their voice in government. The two towns in Chariho that have started to use the “all-day” referendums see slightly higher voter turn out but it has slowly been getting lower. It’s interesting that Richmond, who still uses the Financial Town Meeting approach, had a higher voter turn out than in the previous few years.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 6:52 am | Reply

  11. You, Oppenheimer, and the rest of Richmond must be feelings people. Chariho administration and board could care less if you say you’re angry. They will only respond to your alleged anger when you actually do something which threatens their business as usual approach. No sense being angry if you don’t have the guts to actually do something about it. Hopkinton families have chosen to make a stand. Richmond leaders want to whine and complain but really never hold Chariho accountable.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 11, 2008 @ 8:54 am | Reply

  12. I see Hopkinton approved the budget but turned down the road bond. Stonington also rejected their budget for the third time.

    I hope pols are beginning to understand we are tired of the spending? Local government (including schools) should not be little employment empires. Stop hiring town managers when the towns runs fine without them. No more police departments far beyond any reasonable amount of crime. Most importantly get control of schools! Hopkinton’s TC has stepped up to the challenge of holding Chariho responsible but how many TC before didn’t demand Chariho change its spending habits?

    Too bad when our families can’t afford a legitimate expense like roads because our town leaders have spent years growing government to the point where we can no longer afford to pay the bill.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 11, 2008 @ 9:46 am | Reply

  13. TorC, your stand up and taking has done just as much. Don’t see much difference in how things have changed either way. Open your ears and eyes, get rid of your ignorance mindset that only Hopkinton knows or only Hopkinton knows best. BF and SBH don’t have all the answers.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 10:22 am | Reply

  14. Hi!
    I was voter #19 which in the scheme of things do not matter perhaps, but I do have an interest during a vote how many people show up to vote at different times of the day. Mine was around 9:15 A.M., I believe/recall.
    I note that CharihoParent makes an important distinction from a private publically supported entity like the Richmond Senior Citizens Association and the Senior Center. I believe the appropriation that group gets from the town is unrestricted and can be exoended that group sees fit. I got and I suspect all of you or certainly most of you NON Richmond residents got a survey from this group? I did not respond as I recall.

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 11, 2008 @ 10:37 am | Reply

  15. T or C, the town manager’s position is in the town charter. It is not up to the town council to eliminate that position. If people feel the need to address the charter, then take a stand on that. I do know that those involved with the charter when it was first initiated felt it prudent to create this position. Perhaps, Scott knows who they, the first charter commission, were, so you can address the question to them regarding the need for the position.

    Comment by Lois Buck — June 11, 2008 @ 12:02 pm | Reply

  16. Scott,
    In the past, the funding for the Richmond Senior Citizens Association was unrestrited. Starting July 1, 2008, $15,000 of their $30,000 will be restricted. Again, there is no senior center. There is a Community Center that is used by the Richmond Senior Citizens Association. Not a difficult concept to understand. Also, they allow seniors not only from Richmond but from Charlestown, Hopkinton and other area communities as well. I do believe that they were also told to ask Hopkinton for some monetary support but go nothing, might have been in pass years.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 3:44 pm | Reply

  17. Hi!
    1.The initial Charter Commission was chaired by Georgia Ure and Vice Chair was Malcolm Grant. The Charter Revision Commission I was on was chaired by Nick Kondon. The town manager’s position is specifically mentioned in the Hopkinton Town Charter.
    2. Thanks, CharihoParent on senior issue in Richmond. Does the Town of Richmond have a town council appointed committee on aging or senir citizens committee? I assume not? The group in question for the most part if not virtually in entirety sets their own objectives regardless of what the town council may feel? The also get an “in kind” type benefit of facilities by meeting upstairs at the Richmond Police Station which they are not charged for use.

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 11, 2008 @ 4:16 pm | Reply

  18. I’m a voter not a leader. Hopkinton ran fine before we had a manager. Spending has increased since we hired a manager so what’s the point? I didn’t vote this time because I didn’t have a handle on all the issues but intuitively I feel the manager is not needed based on recent history and I feel the police department is absurdly large based on our low crime rates.

    CP – Hopkinton is the only town that has taken a stand against the spending by Chariho. Change would happen quicker if Richmond or Charlestown leaders had the integrity to join Hopkinton in standing up for families instead of standing up for Chariho employees. Either way, it looks like Hopkinton will reject spending and bonds until we are joined or the other two towns take their ball and go home.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 11, 2008 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  19. Thanks, CharihoParent on senior issue in Richmond. Does the Town of Richmond have a town council appointed committee on aging or senir citizens committee? I assume not? The group in question for the most part if not virtually in entirety sets their own objectives regardless of what the town council may feel? The also get an “in kind” type benefit of facilities by meeting upstairs at the Richmond Police Station which they are not charged for use.

    The Town of Richmond does have a Elder Affair Committee, it was given that name so as not to get them confused with the Richmond Senior Citizens Association. Yes, the group does set it own agenda free from town government influence. You are also correct that they are not charged for the use of the meeting area upstairs from the police station. They only pay for cleanning, no rental charge, no charge for utilities.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 6:21 pm | Reply

  20. oops, I copied SBH’s questions so I could easily reply to them without scrolling back and forth. I apologize if I have confused anyone.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 7:57 pm | Reply

  21. TorC, that’s the point you are missing. Richmond HAS stood up for the taxpayers, has taken the School Committee and the administration to task for their spending habits. I’m sorry if you haven’t heard it but I have. Henry Oppenheimer has consistently spoken against their unchecked spending habits. Henry Oppenheimer was the one that pointed out to the administration and the school committe that their budget could not force any town over the tax cap. Listen and listen well. You might be surprised at what you actually hear coming out from Richmond.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 8:02 pm | Reply

  22. Interesting link I just found:

    This shows what is proposed for each town to receive for education aid. If this passes, look who ends up paying the least for Chariho. It’s not Richmond and it’s not Charlestown!

    Budgeted State Aid Balance
    Charlestown $13,925,767.00 $2,042,292.00 $11,883,475.00

    Richmond $17,823,992.00 $6,310,528.00 $11,513,464.00

    Hopkinton $17,720,106.00 $6,364,303.00 $11,355,803.00

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 11, 2008 @ 8:19 pm | Reply

  23. Don’t be miss-led by the state aid figures .State educational aid does not level the playing field.Charlestown always ends up paying much less per comparable household unit based on their $2,400,000,000 assessable base.Hopkinton would gladly share its state aid if Charlestown would agree to a taxing district.

    Comment by george abbott — June 11, 2008 @ 9:36 pm | Reply

  24. Mr. Abbott is entirely correct. Comparing what each town pays is fool’s gold logic. What matters is the financial burden for each household. CharihoParent may be the only person who still doesn’t grasp this simple concept.

    As for Richmond leadership’s stance on Chariho, their act is similar to that of parents of a spoiled child. They keep counting to three, but there are never any consequences. Pretty soon the child knows the parent is nothing but hot air. Hopkinton leadership takes the responsible approach. Until Chariho proves it has changed and will act responsibly, then they cannot be trusted with millions more.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 11, 2008 @ 9:48 pm | Reply

  25. George and CR, to put it bluntly, I wouldn’t trust anything coming out from Hopkinton. You say that now, a select few Hopkintonians, I’m not sure you few speak for every resident of Hopkinton. People do get greedy when it comes to their money especially when it comes to state aid, anything to reduce their own taxes. Is it the year round Charlestown resident’s fault that beach property has become very popular and highly valued? Your suggestions whack at the very people who you say you’re for. The average John Q. Public hard working taxpayer. They are the ones who would be most affected by what Hopkinton keeps calling for. I can’t say that I blame them for wanting to keep things as they are.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 12, 2008 @ 7:00 am | Reply

  26. I’ve not met anyone who blames Charlestown for wanting to keep their taxes low. You miss the point once again. As long as Charlestown families have equal say in how much is spent by Chariho without having an equal burden paying for what Chariho spends, then Charlestown families will have a much greater tolerance for Chariho’s irresponsible and unaccountable spending. That’s it.

    Who can afford to keep up with neighbors when the neighbors always get the two for one special? Of course these neighbors buy more things when it costs less money. This is logical. You should try thinking logically.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 12, 2008 @ 7:47 am | Reply

  27. CR, I will think as logically as you do when you start thinking logically yourself.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 12, 2008 @ 10:47 am | Reply

  28. The old I am rubber you are glue comeback! Leave it to CP to show he’s a wit. A nitwit!

    Comment by Real Question — June 12, 2008 @ 1:15 pm | Reply

  29. Combining state aid into one bundle for the use of all towns equally – Charlestown would get over double it’s present payment and Hopkinton and Richmond would be reduced by about a third. But CR is right too, it doesn’t ultimately matter. Charlestown’s portion of the tax bill would go up substantially if equalization is forced even with combined state aid assisting those town citizens.

    Funding is the crux problem, but the other issue is that the bond is not enough money to solve the problems at Chariho. The gym is still too small and will be smaller still after the new bleachers are installed with aisles, the roof is still flat and inefficient, there are no architectural plans to bid from – we buy a pig in a poke, guessing at a per foot cost. The building is spreading out even further instead of compressing the spaces for the students movement between classes, gym, cafeteria, library.

    The new architects on board at RI Dept of Education for ‘due diligence’ of all building/construction projects will not be used to insure ‘green’ technology or 21st century energy savings, let alone proper and sound construction because (if the bond passes) we don’t have to use them. Seventeen million after 20+ years of neglect is not enough money to re-build or renovate a 21st century high school.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 14, 2008 @ 4:39 pm | Reply


    New blog.

    Comment by I am Ishmael — June 14, 2008 @ 7:31 pm | Reply

  31. I didn’t know that Barbara was such an architectural expert. Barbara, would you prefer a new high school? Would support a bond to build it? No matter what the district comes up with, I fear you would do your utmost to find a problem with the proposal. So instead of doing something to try to get the school in better condition and have some adequate space we’ll continue to do nothing at all except try to repair what can be put into the yearly operational budget. I can’t figure out the logic that comes out from Hopkinton, you want a flat line or lower budget but yet force the district to come up with a higher budget year after year to handle the needed repairs. You know darn well that the budget will increase because of pay raises but yet will do absolutely nothing to try to hold the line in other areas. There’s only so much money in the fund balance account that can be drawn from for repairs after that, what does the school district do for funding? I guess since Hopkintonians didn’t fuss too much when their TC nearly bankrupted the town then don’t care if the school district and all three towns teeter on bankruptcy. This just goes to show that perhaps Hopkintonians are really the morons.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 14, 2008 @ 9:39 pm | Reply

  32. Hold the line in other areas? Does CP have even a slight clue? Employee compensation dwarfs every other area of spending at Chariho. There is not budgetary control if the administration and school board are unable to stop the outrageous amount of compensation given to Chariho employees. The line starts and stops with employee contracts. If the board can’t help itself and rollback out of whack contracts, then Chariho will fall apart because there will never be enough money to fix things AND continue to give employees compensation to die for.

    Look at the recent school board meeting where employees who started working at Chariho in the 1980’s are now able to retire. How many here who started working in the 70’s and 80’s will get a full retirement package from their employer if they retire now? Not me! They’d laugh me out of the place.

    Barbara C has lost her mind if she thinks Chariho has ever proven it can be trusted with the millions needed to build a new high school. The school is not too small. There are no more students there then when I was in Chariho and the school is bigger. We need lecture halls accomodating 100 or more kids. We need computer labs. We need less teachers. Less aides. Less assistants. Less administrators. Less guidance counselors. We need to be smaller in many ways.

    Most of all we need all three towns to be on the same page. Charlestown voters must be paying the same as the rest of us so their families can feel some discomfort too when outrageous contracts are negotiated. No new school. No bond. Trust. Without it nothing else should happen.

    Comment by Real Question — June 15, 2008 @ 12:49 am | Reply

  33. RQ, once again I’ll state, maybe this time it will sink in past that very thick skull of yours. The very people who you say your are for, you’re actually against. Do you think that there isn’t anyone in Charlestown that doesn’t struggle to make ends meet? Many taxpayers in Charlestown and in Richmond face the same problems that other taxpayers in this state face. Ever increasing taxes with out of control spending in almost every school district. It certainly appears that how you think and you are sorely mistaken. You know darn well that the tax equalization that you have stuck in that itty bitty little brain of yours will never happen. The problem isn’t so much the district, it’s the unions. The problem isn’t so much the district, it’s up on Smith Hill with our legislators.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 15, 2008 @ 6:44 am | Reply

  34. You belong in Richmond CP. Your inability to grasp the simplest things fits right in there. There are people everywhere who struggle. There are fewer people in Charlestown who struggle because of Chariho because people in Charlestown individually pay much less for Chariho. Therefore the people in Charlestown are much more able to absorb the out of control spending. This is why Charlestown approves budgets and bonds with are the same budgets and bonds that Hopkinton rejects. Keep pretending your a moron. You’ve got me convinced.

    Comment by Real Question — June 15, 2008 @ 8:05 am | Reply

  35. i never know what capalbo is saying half the time

    Comment by what? — June 15, 2008 @ 8:57 am | Reply

  36. Well she’s saying no to the bond and that is a good thing. Not sure what she has in mind when talking about building a bigger Chariho. We need tax equity to make Chariho work and we’re a long way from that!

    Comment by Real Question — June 15, 2008 @ 9:34 am | Reply

  37. I thought Barbara was just floating the next Hopkinton reason to vote against the bond.

    Even if Richmond and Charlestown make some move to accommodate a different tax structure to keep the district going, we’ll start to hear that “since this bond won’t fix the problems anyway, we should reject it, study the needs (again) and try a different bond later.”

    Comment by david — June 15, 2008 @ 12:48 pm | Reply

  38. RQ, what do you truly know about the people in Charlestown? Probably not a whole heck of lot. You like to spew venom when you know nothing at all about those you speak about. Your proven that time and time again. It’s an easy leap to come to a conclusion that you don’t know anything about them. It’s simple conjecture on your part to say not as many people struggle as do in either Hopkinton or Richmond.

    What we truly need to make Chariho work is for you to knock it off with your assumptions about others. We need for you to truly work at an equitable solution, something you refuse to do. What we need if for people like you that are from Hopkinton to stop with the temper tantrums. You have a chance to go to your own town council meeting and be heard but you imply that you won’t go. Another one of the old sayings that I love, “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.” RQ, you’re certianly not part of the solution. What a buffoon!

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 15, 2008 @ 6:22 pm | Reply

  39. David, you’ve hit the proverbial nail on the head. Just one more in long line of excuses that Hopkintonians will come up with not to pass the bond. I’m at a point where I give up with the district.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 15, 2008 @ 6:24 pm | Reply

  40. CharihoParent lacks rudimentary understanding of economics. Hopkinton families pay more than 2 times as much in taxes for Chariho. It is not difficult to understand why Hopkinton families would struggle more often to pay taxes than Charlestown families.

    I doubt CharihoParent is as dumb as he pretends. More than likely it is a purposeful attempt to muddle debate. Hopkinton is the town with the voters who think clearly.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 15, 2008 @ 8:15 pm | Reply

  41. Actually, Chariho Parent, I do work with residential and commercial architects every day on site on projects across the state and out of state too. And, yes, if I had my druthers, I would prefer a new high school. I have been told by everyone – administrators, teachers, parents, citizens – that that will never happen. OK. Then at least renovate with the most energy conservative and frugal building plans. The best building design in the bond is the Maintenance Shed. Well done, efficient, energy tight, excellent use of space and storage, interior and exterior building fabrication.

    None of you have even looked carefully at the overall plans – and I am talking here about local architects, builders, contractors, electricians, plumbers, mechanical, structural, civil and traffic engineers. Everyone is too busy to pay attention to their own area of expertise as they all try to survive a recession.

    Unless Cacieri vetoes the bonds you will all get to vote again with or without funding issues resolved or addressed. Or the structural, spatial and energy issues resolved or addressed. A more compact school building UP instead of OVER is a better choice, but you won’t have that one.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 15, 2008 @ 9:26 pm | Reply

  42. CP makes assumptions about everyone and then claims I make assumptions. At the least any assumptions I make are based on the facts. I tell you the majority of Richmond voters are morons and then point out they never rejected any Chariho spending. Seems like a reasonable assumption to me.

    If the bond gets voted on again and any piece of it gets approved, then Hopkinton TC better listen very carefully to Bill F’s plea for vouchers. If Hopkinton gets locked into decades more of inequitable taxation than vouchers may be the only chance for many of Hopkinton’s families.

    Comment by Real Parent — June 16, 2008 @ 12:22 am | Reply

  43. RP,your assumptions are certainly not based on facts. You throw out enough assumptions about people and hope that at least some of them stick. You’re another one of those Hopkinton buffoons that don’t know crap about people but yet will say what ever comes to mind about them. Great tactics you, CR, RQ and TorC have. Can’t forget What?, either. It’s so bad I’m coining the five of you the Buffoon Brigade. I’m sure you’ll add to your brigade.

    CR, I’m afraid that you’re the one who lacks the knowledge of economics. If you really wanted to keep taxes lower, you would the benefit of the bond. Spreading out payments over 20 years will help to keep the budget lower. I’d much rather do that then have millions of dollars added to the operational budget each year over an uncertain period of time. Again, I’ll explain to you, a Buffoon Bridgade member, there are many, many people in Charlestown that don’t have much of anything to spare either. I’m not making assumptions here, I know it for fact. What’s needed more than anything else is to control the spending at Chariho, not this inane idea of tax equalization that you have stuck in pea sized brain.

    Barbara, why then did you never publicly bring out your doubts before? It continues to be a long list of road blocks that Hopkinton throws out. It’s continual and never ending. Can you understand why there’s so much frustration that the taxpayers of the other two towns have with Hopkinton?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 5:14 am | Reply

  44. The economic experts spoke on the issue in a management report a few years ago. Maintaining a district where some taxpayers are forced to pay more than others is unsustainable. The reason is clear as the group of taxpayers (Charlestown) with less fiscal responsibility will tolerate more spending than a group (Hopkinton) with more burdensome obligations. I’ll go with the experts. I’m sure CharihoParent will come up with a brilliant retort.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 16, 2008 @ 7:04 am | Reply

  45. Barabara, you work with them, are you an architect yourself? If you are not an architect, that would be similiar to me saying that I worked for a number of years for a construction managament firm in Providence so now I can undertake and undertand everything about building a new high school.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 7:29 am | Reply

  46. Some people might say Mr. Ricci is an expert at running a school, but obviously this isn’t true. I trust people to consider the source when judging opinions. Credentials don’t always tell the whole story. This is why I disregard pretty much everything CharihoParent says 😉

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 16, 2008 @ 8:01 am | Reply

  47. Ah, quite the retort from the Buffoon Brigade. Can’t do better than that, CR?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 9:20 am | Reply

  48. CR, I’ve just printed out a rather large demographic report for the state of Rhode Island. Some of the statistics in there are quite surprising. It’s going to take me some time to compile the statistics for the three towns but it’s rather interesting what I’ve seen at first glance.

    If you “disregard pretty much everthing” I say, why does it rattle your chains so much when I have something to say in opposition to you? Why is there always a come back to things I try to discuss but you choose to came with angry retorts. Don’t like the thought of having opposition to what you say? What’s the reason, CR? Awating your answer, this should be a real gem coming from a member of the Buffoon Brigade.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 9:29 am | Reply

  49. Chariho Parent,
    I continually learn more about the school system, the funding mechanism, the construction vision – and the more I learn the more I find this bond a poor option. Twenty years (let’s hope the track is removed) will not provide for the needs – which means another bond will have to be floated before we finish with the first one.

    I am a lighting designer – I work with infrastructure – plumbers, HVAC, audio, carpenters, elctricians, mechanical/structural engineers, architects – because my lighting has to fit between and within all these infrastructure issues. It is a collaborative process. Excellent solutions for our clients are found when we all work together and listen to the needs of each. I don’t have all the answers, but if you don’t have the questions you can’t resolve the issues.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 16, 2008 @ 11:14 am | Reply

  50. CharihoParent,
    Are you Greg Avedesian? If you are it would be best you identify yourself, as you are a poltically active person. Either yes or no to that question. If the answer is know are you know or in the past active in polotics in the Chariho region either being on a party’s town committee, town council,school committee, or an appointed board or commssion?

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 16, 2008 @ 11:43 am | Reply

  51. Hi!
    Sorry for the goofs in typing! I will try to improve!

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 16, 2008 @ 11:44 am | Reply


    Comment by what? — June 16, 2008 @ 12:05 pm | Reply

  53. Somebody might want to make CharihoParent aware of the census before he invests too much of his time on redundant analysis. Then again, it might be a community service if he goes off on a wild goose chase.

    I challenge lies because if stated often enough some people come to believe lies to be truth. Even bad lies, if repeated regularly, just might confuse someone not paying close attention.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 16, 2008 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

  54. CP’s demographics begin and end with him and his daughter. If they feel it then it must be true.

    Comment by Real Question — June 16, 2008 @ 2:09 pm | Reply

  55. SBH, pay attention, I live in Richmond, not Charlestown!

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 2:18 pm | Reply

  56. CR, and you, Buffoon Brigade member, are the master of lies and hoping one of them may stick. You make assumptions of people, throw accusations out, etc, etc, etc. and hope at least one of those people will believe.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 2:24 pm | Reply

  57. Also, Scott, I’m not a politically active person, I just pay attention to what’s going on and have good friends in good places to keep abreast of the lies that come from Hopkintonians.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 2:31 pm | Reply

  58. CharihoParent,
    I should have remembered! Sorry. BTW are you now or in the past, been involved in local politics as a elected or appointed official?

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 16, 2008 @ 2:35 pm | Reply

  59. This is an open forum. If someone is posting or reading here they have access to the internet and discovering the truth has never been so easy. I’m very comfortable going toe-to-toe with anyone on the facts as I discover them. I may go on instincts every now and then, but not often.

    CharihoParent is a feeling kind of guy. His daughter feels like the Town Councilors should be at graduation so despite all the realities of life, Town Councilors who don’t show up to graduation must not care about the children. It feels like there are families in Charlestown who struggle so therefore the fact they pay significantly less taxes for education doesn’t matter. It feels like they struggle as much as Hopkinton families regardless of truth so it must be true even if it makes absolutely no sense.

    I look forward to CharihoParent’s demographic research. Analyzing actual facts might confuse him so much he might end up writing backwards.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 16, 2008 @ 2:38 pm | Reply

  60. CP should have his good friends come here personally and spread their manure. Might as well cut out the middle man. At least it explains why CP messes things up so badly. When somebody whispers in one ear it isn’t unusual to have it come out all jumbled. Maybe CP is on the school board. He admits to being a puppet and Ricci is the master puppeteer!

    Comment by Real Question — June 16, 2008 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

  61. Scott,
    I’ve never been involved in politics either elected or appointed.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 2:56 pm | Reply

  62. CR, facts as you want to interpret them? The two leaders of the Buffoon Brigade have spoken. All bow and believe everthing they want to mislead you with. Yes, Yes, they must know all. Bull crap that they spew and all!

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 3:06 pm | Reply

  63. I hear you speaking CP but I see Ricci’s lips moving. You may want to invest in invisible string.

    Comment by Real Question — June 16, 2008 @ 3:22 pm | Reply

  64. Did I upset you CharihoParent? Sorry, I forgot how sensitive you are. Maybe a good cry would help?

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 16, 2008 @ 3:24 pm | Reply

  65. Scott,
    Tell you what, I’ll reveal myself when RQ, CR, What?, TorC and every other anonymous blogger on here reveal who they are. Then I’ll tell you who I am, not that it will matter much. How’s that?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 3:30 pm | Reply

  66. I have to laugh, CR and RQ, you say you don’t pay attention to what I say but you sure do like to attack me.What’s the matter, am I hitting to close to the truth the Buffoon Brigade?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 3:32 pm | Reply

  67. How clueless are you? I’ve never said I don’t pay attention to you. Is lying a reflex action you can’t control? I find you very amusing. Kind of like a cat playing with a helpless mouse.

    Comment by Real Question — June 16, 2008 @ 3:45 pm | Reply

  68. CharihoParent,
    No problem. It is my choice to put ny name behind something. Some people prefer and really need anonymity especially if they are in business or may have children in the local schools. My main concern is if you are in politics and post anonymous things, it may be your right but not fair to us in that situation that are or have been politically active.

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — June 16, 2008 @ 4:11 pm | Reply

  69. yea scott….youre a real model of courage putting your name behind something

    Comment by what? — June 16, 2008 @ 6:06 pm | Reply

  70. RQ, I’m sorry to see that you consider yourself a helpless little mouse.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 6:48 pm | Reply

  71. Scott,
    I would never bring myself down to the level of some politicians in this state. I have higher standards then that. I believe in truly working for a living, not living off the taxpayers or my parents.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 6:53 pm | Reply

  72. Here’s some facts for the Buffoon Brigade. This is taken from the U.S. census bureau.

    Charlestown has a population of 7,859 of which 1,143 are 65 or older, that’s 14.54% of their population. Of 3,161 households, 54% derive their income from sources other than Earned Income, most of them, 854 households, derive their income from Social Security.

    Hopkinton has a population of 7.836 of which 866 are 65 or older, that’s 11.05% of their population. Of 2,953 households, 52% derive their income from sources other than Earned Income, 813 households, derive their income from Social Security.

    So now do you see why I say that you say you are about the taxpayers, about helping them, and you’re really not helping anyone. You’re actually going to do harm to many seniors, possibly force them to sell their homes. Their pain is just the same as your pain. It’s not right for the Buffoon Brigade to go saying that you want them to feel just as much pain as you do. They are feeling the pain already and it’s very real. I’ll give you just one example, after my mother-in-law passed away, my father-in-law had to go back to work, after having retired a few years ago, just to make ends meet. Shifting a higher tax burden on him, since he does live in Charlestown, just isn’t fair in my opinion. I firmly believe in paying for what you use. What you propose is like saying since I earn 50% more than you do, I should pay more for gas than what you do even though you use 5% more gas than what I do. You use 30% percent of the resources, you pay for 30% of the resources. Very equitable to me.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 7:16 pm | Reply

  73. Oh, one little tidbit I forgot. The Hispanic Median Household Income for Hopkinton, $100,204. For Black/African American, $80,488. For Whites, $53,027. Interesting, sounds like the lily white butts need to start getting off their fat butts, get away from the computer, put down the bon-bons, stop complaining about everything, and start doing some serious work like their Hispanic and African American Hopkinton counterparts.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 7:22 pm | Reply

  74. Scott a model of courage? I certainly hope that was a facetious remark!

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 16, 2008 @ 7:25 pm | Reply

  75. Nice to see CP back to using racist rhetoric. Second time I recall him using race to disparage groups of people. Makes a fine example for his daughter I’m sure.

    Once again CP looks at numbers and loses his mind. Tax equity doesn’t put a higher tax burden on Charlestown families, it puts the same tax burden on them. Everybody’s father would pay the same if we had district taxing.

    Very simple, very hard for CP to grasp. Maybe if he wasn’t dividing people along racial lines he might be able to divide numbers?

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 16, 2008 @ 10:38 pm | Reply

  76. This is 2008. The next census is 2010. The census numbers you are using are based in 2000.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 16, 2008 @ 11:21 pm | Reply

  77. I too recall at least one other racist rant by CP. Where does “lily white butts” come from? Why is CP the only one who interjects race into the discussion? It’s his kind of thinking that has led to so much of the racial tensions which still exist is some quarters. Fortunately, other than this fool, racial background doesn’t seem to be a concern to anyone else on here.

    I think he should go back to calling me the Buffoon Brigade and leave race out of it. Maybe he can pretend buffoons are a race of people if he is so inclined to make race an issue. I am a Buffoonian-American. Happy now?

    Comment by Real Question — June 18, 2008 @ 3:49 pm | Reply

  78. The Buffon Brigade can’t do better than to attack the messenger and not the message itself? I’m also caucasian so I don’t really see where using “lily white butts” is anywhere close to racist, maybe I should have said for you to get your LAZY butts in gear and get a real job like your minority citizens seem to have done.

    Barbara, you’re almost as bad, do you have anything more current to use? Easy to try to dismiss it by saying those are old numbers. Yes, the next census is in 2010 but we really won’t see much of anything until at least sometime in 2011.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 19, 2008 @ 7:11 am | Reply

  79. The message and the messenger are racist. Characterizing groups of people based on color is racism. Doesn’t matter if you’re green, pink or purple.

    Comment by Real Question — June 19, 2008 @ 9:14 am | Reply

  80. RQ, you’re so full of crap it’s unbelievable actually. If it’s so racist then why does the federal goverment break down the census data based on race? Get real! You’re only tring to attack the messenger because he won’t fall for the BS that the Buffoon Brigade dishes out.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 19, 2008 @ 9:34 am | Reply

  81. Does the government then insult one race over another based on the numbers? Why not tell us that black kids are dumber because they score lower on test scores? That’s the same logic you used. You’ve made racist comments before. I don’t expect you do acknowledge you are a racist. Your comments stand as written.

    Comment by Real Question — June 19, 2008 @ 10:04 am | Reply

  82. I threw out a comment about my own race and therefore I’m a racist? Yeah, Buffoon Brigade suits you plenty fine.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 19, 2008 @ 10:54 am | Reply

  83. You drew conclusions about whites, blacks and hispanics based on race. Are you all three races? Better stick with calling us buffoons. Compared to racial hatred buffoon is being nice.

    Comment by Real Question — June 19, 2008 @ 11:39 am | Reply

  84. CharihoParent,
    If I use census data, I generally try to add 10% – 15% to the numbers so that we are a bit closer since we are much nearer to the next. We know Richmond and Hopkinton have grown, Charlestown as well by going to the building permits and planning boards. Just means more people and probably more children than the census tallies.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 19, 2008 @ 1:46 pm | Reply

  85. Barbara,
    If you look at the school enrollments for Charlestown there’s been a drop since 2000 of 71 students. Ashaway has also had a drop, 148 students, Hope Valley, 54 students. Richmond exprienced a few years of increasing students until the 2006-07 school year, the it went back up in 2007-08 showing a net decrease of 3 students. I don’t think your estimate of 10% to 15% increase is exactly correct. If anything, I’m willing to bet that there will be an increase in senior citizens in Charlestown and therefore a decrease is earned income. Oh wait, maybe I shouldn’t say that, I might be called an Senior Citizen bigot now by the Buffoon Brigade.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 19, 2008 @ 8:13 pm | Reply

  86. RQ, I showed statistics from the US Census Bureau. I praised the African Americans and Hispanics by saying they are hard workers, I called down the causcasians (by the way, I’m also caucasian) in Hopkinton because of your fat lazy lily white butts not earning decent wages like the African Americans and Hispanics. If you think that makes me a racist then you really have proved much you have earned entry into the Buffoon Brigade.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 19, 2008 @ 8:21 pm | Reply

  87. Your statement is clearly racist. You may not have meant it to be racist but when you attribute negative traits to a group of people, regardless which race, based on the color of their skin, then you are a racist. Racists rarely recognize their behavior for what it is. I agree you’re better off sticking to calling people buffoons. It suits you better.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 19, 2008 @ 9:03 pm | Reply

  88. CR, you’re a joke! You don’t know what being a racist is at all.

    Here’s the definition for you:

    involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

    I didn’t say my own race was superior, I said my own race was inferior.

    I didn’t say any race had the right to rule either race. Guess you had better try harder the next time.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 20, 2008 @ 4:58 am | Reply

  89. That may be the definition you choose. I’ve given my definition and your rant about “lily white butts” qualifies. You’re the only one on this blog who brings up race as if certain races are superior to others.

    I’m not shocked you would deny your rant was racist. Everyone can decide for themselves. Don’t worry, with all your other foolish rants your credibility was gone long ago in my eyes. Being a racist is more of the same.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 20, 2008 @ 12:06 pm | Reply

  90. You can’t even answer direct questions and skirt around issues when you can’t give a straight answer. Don’t talk to me about credibility. You and a few others can only attack the messenger, not the message.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 20, 2008 @ 1:53 pm | Reply

  91. I attacked the message too. The message was racist and therefore the messenger is probably racist (or made a mistake). In case you missed it, I found your message to be racially hateful.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 20, 2008 @ 2:23 pm | Reply

  92. nope, it really wasn’t. And yes, by saying I was being racially hateful when we both know I wasn’t, you’re attacking the messenger, not the message. You’re trying to draw attention away from what I was bring out by attacking me but yet you have done anything to disprove my points. Sorry, you lose!

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 20, 2008 @ 3:48 pm | Reply

  93. You should make your points without insulting a race of people. Maybe someone would pay attention then…though probably not. Remove your racism and you’re still a fool.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 20, 2008 @ 4:48 pm | Reply

  94. So now we have to call politicians to convince them to do what is right?

    We voted. We shouldn’t have to vote again.

    Doesn’t really matter if the gov vetos the revote because 2/3 overrides a veto and the revote crowd has near unanimous support of the state politicians. Kennedy, Algiere, and Walsh must have greater pull than Breene because they got their corrupt friends to go along with spending millions at Chariho even though it was rejected once already. Even if the gov vetos Hopkinton will have to be the ones being responsible for holding the line on spending.

    Be prepared because the bond lies will be forthcoming again. Only this time they can split the lies and hope one of the bond segments passes. The high school is the most likely and then Ricci can spend those millions anyway he decides since there are no limitations. The revote doesn’t even include language guaranteeing us the 60% renovation reimbursement rate.

    Hopkinton better get busy looking into vouchers. When the bills come due vouchers may be the only things that save our asses!

    Comment by Real Question — June 20, 2008 @ 5:30 pm | Reply

  95. Yes, RQ, the bond lies will be coming out from the Buffoon Brigade as they did the last time. One roadblock after another. Heck, Barbara Capalbo already has decided that now the high school gym configuration isn’t right. How come this was never said until now? Do you realize what it starts to sound like coming out from Hopkinton after awhile?

    Jimmie Johnson and Charlestown Parent said it best, “Blah, Blah, Blah”. Some old story again and again and again and again and again…….

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 20, 2008 @ 10:02 pm | Reply

  96. As long as the Richmond morons don’t have self control then the same old story will hopefully play over and over again. Better get used to it.

    Comment by Real Question — June 20, 2008 @ 10:17 pm | Reply

  97. I see you don’t deny that the Buffoon Brigade is coming out with lies. You just want to play the same sad song over and over again.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 21, 2008 @ 8:03 pm | Reply

  98. And by the way, the Richmond non-morons have plenty of self control. We’re just more concerned for our kids and want better school facilities then what Hopkinton’s Buffoon Brigade wants. The only Richmond morons we have are the one that don’t realize that passing a bond and spreading the cost out over 20 years is much more financialy prudent then paying for it in the annual operational budget which is what the Buffoon Brigade prefers.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 21, 2008 @ 8:07 pm | Reply

  99. Sure the Richmond non-morons have self control. They join Hopkinton in rejecting irrespnsible and unaccountable spending. Unfortunately there are not enough of them. The rest of Richmond, the morons, have never seen Chariho spending they didn’t like. 50 years and still waiting for the fools to disagree with one Chariho spending proposal. All in a snit about Richmond seniors spending a few thousand while right down the road millions get squandered annually without a peep from Richmond leadership. They have to be the stupidest people in the state of Rhode Island.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 21, 2008 @ 9:22 pm | Reply

  100. The name calling is getting pathetic. I implore those engaged in it to please take a different tactic.

    Personally, I am getting sick of hearing that those who reject the bonds are not or are less “concerned for our kids.” Guess what? I reject the bonds, and I have kids in the system. I have neighbors that have kids in the system. I have family that have kids in the system.

    If the buildings are as bad as you make them out to be, then condemn them.

    I have a different philosophy than you. I have a right to have a differing opinion or philosophy than you.

    Personally, I would rather see the 60% reimbursement go towards construction costs rather than for interest payments on bonds.

    I would rather see the committee and the administration follow the tax cap, which is suppose to reel in uncontrollable spending, rather than circumvent it by issuing bonds.

    If you put maintenance within the budget, you will put pressure on the school committee and the administration to be more fiscally conservative with other areas of the budget, as the individual towns will continue to put pressure on the district to get a handle on spending because of the tax cap.

    Additionally, putting maintenance in the budget will put pressure on the school committee and the administration to end the neglect, as they will have no other avenue for funding. Take a stand now and tell the administration that they can no longer neglect our schools.

    This bond is a revote. The construction, repairs and maintenance, lockers, track, etc., are the same other than what is being completed over the summer. Some of the wise individuals rejected the notion of splitting it into thirds because they, as per usual, wanted all or nothing. My assumption is that some of them knew that they would come back and try to split it in thirds if it got rejected. If it didn’t get rejected, then hey, they would be living high on the hog. They took a chance, a very foolish chance, and they lost.

    I don’t believe there is one person who believes that the high school does not need work. The disagreement lies with how to complete the work.

    The accreditation will remain as long as the district makes positive yearly progress. So, don’t let them make you believe that, “Oh no, we are going to lose our accreditation!” Been there and done that. Those in the 80’s that graduated from Chariho without accreditation still were able to become successful members of society. They were not prevented from going on to college.

    As long as we make yearly progress, the town and state fire marshals will be satisfied. Don’t make yearly progress, and they won’t be. So, demand yearly progress.

    To coin a phrase that was used so eloquently last year,

    “It is time to….” say no to a revote.

    “It is time to….” demand yearly progress on maintenance.

    “It is time to….” keep maintenance as a line item.

    “It is time to….” stay within our means by staying within the tax cap.

    “It is time to….” use the regional bonus towards construction costs rather than interest payments.

    Like I said, I have a different philosophy. I might even be wrong, but no-one has convinced me otherwise. Using the “I don’t care enough for the kids because I reject the bonds” line is not going to convince me either.

    Thank you and have a nice day!

    Comment by Lois Buck — June 21, 2008 @ 10:14 pm | Reply

  101. Lois,
    I have not gripe with you for the most part. You use your intellect to explain your position. My problems are with the likes of Curious Resident, TorC, Real Question, RS, etc., the Buffoon Brigade, who don’t use any intellect, they use the same old tired lines that I’ve been hearing ever since I’ve moved into the area. I don’t know if you’ve read what the legislature has done within the last week or not. They’ve only increased the mandates instead of giving the voters a break. I agree there a problems in the administration, problems with budget but it’s the school committee, not the administration that sets the budget. The administration recommends it, the school committee sets it. So the school committee must share the blame for the ills with the budget. I feel that by placing the repairs that are needed within the budget will only make it take longer for them to get done and increase the annual budget. I don’t think you can deny that many of the items need to addressed. I also feel that by getting the much needed repairs done within the next few years through a bond will them give the voters a much stronger position to demand the needed change in mentality from the administration and the school committe. It takes away the excuse of building maintenance as a reason for budget increases.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 22, 2008 @ 7:45 am | Reply

  102. CP wants to repeat history over and over again. Give Charhiho what they want and then pretend Charlestown and Richmond will then change their stripes and require Chariho to fly straight. As recently as 2006 they lied to the towns to the tune of 2.8 million and now we are to trust change is a coming if we only give them millions more? This is a fool’s game and anybody advocating we fall for it one more time is a fool.

    Comment by Real Question — June 22, 2008 @ 9:18 am | Reply

  103. CP wants to repeat history over and over again. Give Charhiho what they want and then pretend Charlestown and Richmond will then change their stripes and require Chariho to fly straight. As recently as 2006 they lied to the towns to the tune of 2.8 million and now we are to trust change is a coming if we only give them millions more? This is a fool’s game and anybody advocating we fall for it one more time is a fool.

    Comment by Real Question — June 22, 2008 @ 9:19 am | Reply

  104. If we only let Chariho spend millions more of our money for the first time in 50 years Richmond will insist (very vigorously) that Chariho stop wasting our money. If we only approve millions more of wasteful spending they promise to whine to Chariho as much as they’ve been whining to Hopkinton lately.

    As much as the re-vote needs to be rejected because our families shouldn’t be paying millions more to Chariho, I also would love to see it rejected just so we can see if Richmond leaders will actually start crying this time? Reading through news reports over the years, every time Chariho doesn’t get its way it is consistently Richmond politicians who complain and threaten but do nothing. Does anyone really think Richmond would withdraw from Chariho? Get real…Richmond withdrawing is like an 8 year running away from home. They keep looking back to see if mommy and daddy are paying attention.

    This you can count on for sure. Should any of the bond items pass, Richmond will do nothing different then they’ve done for 50 years. Chariho can spend whatever they’d like and Richmond will support it. Chariho can run any program they devise and Richmond will agree it is needed. Richmond does not seem to have the ability to be honest. They do not have the ability to hold Chariho accountable for anything. History proves this over and over again.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 22, 2008 @ 11:03 am | Reply

  105. CharihoParent,
    The gym has been too small for a good long time. Ask your sports neighbors. This is truth. But now (announced at the School Board meeting – 5-27) this summer the bleachers will be replaced with new bleachers that have mandated aisles. This will remove about 100 seats. The gym was not addressed in the bond at all except to renovate the locker rooms and baths.

    This kind of response to a percieved need (fix a mandate, although we haven’t had aisles for 50 years) does not solve our problem (the kids and their parents need more space). We (the public) are not made aware of this issue until it is almost a fait accompli announced at a school board meeting. What would you have done? Nod your head? Say, OK? Not allowed yourself to think further about the information you have not been given in order to make a good frugal decision?

    Charlestown is aware that if a bond is passed it will be much more difficult, if not improbable, to withdraw. That, and funding issues and probably many others, is why their school options committee has been reinstated. This is a very smart move. If they can use their impact fees to renovate their elementary school as well, they’re in very good shape. Richmond should be paying very close attention. These are very smart people.

    Comment by BarbaraC — June 22, 2008 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

  106. Charlestown does have smart people. They are smart enough to know that they can get more education for their buck if they stick with Chariho. Since Richmond doesn’t have many smart people, nor do they have the ability to say no, Charlestown can count on Richmond to tolerate costly programs, contracts, and facilities. On the other hand, if Charlestown starts to believe the reduced fare education ride may be over, then they may take their wealth and go home to their own school system.

    The smart people of Charlestown should consider that Hopkinton cannot keep up the spending pace. If we get locked back into the district for years, then Hopkinton would be wise to seek legal redress on the issue of equitable taxation. The other element for consideration is the impact of vouchers on the current dynamic between the towns. Should Hopkinton’s leaders show the wisdom to implement school choice, Charlestown may find itself stuck in Chariho, but with a less enviable tax situation.

    One way or the other things will be changing. Either Hopkinton will drive out its low and moderate income families and replace them with wealthy families; or vouchers; or legal action to gain tax equity; or whatever…something will change. It has to change because many Hopkinton families cannot sustain the status quo. My family already has leaving Hopkinton on its “to do” list. We’re probably not the only ones with these plans…time will tell how quickly and how many.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 22, 2008 @ 10:01 pm | Reply

  107. CP,

    1. Yes, the school committee is the majority of the problem. But, the administration could take a lead by recognizing the disparities of the 3 towns and come up with a more fiscally conservative budget in the first place. For years, they’ve screamed that cuts were going to hurt services, so they didn’t make them. Then at the end of the fiscal year, we are left with substantial budget surpluses.

    Something has to give. The problem is that many taxpayers are the ones expected to give all the time.

    Mr. Petit has stated that the job of the school committee is to consider the needs and safety of all the students, not just those from their home town. If that is the thinking, and I agree with that for the most part, they, the school committee, should also be considering the needs of the families from all 3 towns. When they come out with overly inflated budgets, they hurt the families of the kids that attend the school district.

    2. As far as the legislature goes, that doesn’t surprise me. Short of not electing them in November, what is one to do. You need a good organized lobbying effort with a lot of money to put pressure on them. My thought is term limits, which would hopefully not allow existing lobbying efforts to dig their claws in and not let go.

    3. Yes, repairs in the budget will take longer. I do not have a problem with that. I have been told that the issues are not as devastating as they make it out to be. Again, as long as we make yearly progress, we will be fine.

    I have a problem with applying reimbursement to interest. It’s like borrowing on credit with the state paying the interest. I strongly believe that the money should be applied to construction costs. And I do not currently have faith in our school committee to change their philosophy regarding the budget. So, I stand by my opinion regarding the budgeting of maintenance, not the issuing of bonds for maintenance.

    I want to add a couple of things to my “It’s time to” list:

    “It’s time to”….. prepare a budget with actuals and budgeted figures beside each other.

    “It’s time to”….. dedicate their efforts to address the 5th grade and then the 6th grade issue. I thought of this after my last post. Just removing the 5th graders will open up space within the middle school for the RYSE students.

    Thanks for your time, and please have a nice day.

    P.S. CharihoParent: This is one of your quotes that made me think that you have no tolerance for my opinion or philosophy: “The only Richmond morons we have are the one that don’t realize that passing a bond and spreading the cost out over 20 years is much more financialy prudent then paying for it in the annual operational budget which is what the Buffoon Brigade prefers.” I may not be from Richmond and you may not consider me part of your Buffoon Brigade, but as I stated above, I believe maintenance is a budgetary item. I believe that applying the reimbursement on construction costs is more responsible than applying it towards interest. Borrowing on credit has hurt a lot of people. So, either I am a buffoon or a moron, this fits within the parameters of your definition. Again, I have a right to my opinion. And I believe that my experiences have formed my philosophy. Unless you could convince me otherwise, I stand by my opinion.

    Comment by Lois Buck — June 23, 2008 @ 10:44 am | Reply

  108. Chariho has a history of lying, distorting and misrepresenting. We need to look no further than the budget battle of 2005 to see the depth of their malfeasance up close. I can’t see how anyone can dispute Chariho School Committee and the administration’s willingness to deceive taxpayers? I’m sure many would do it anyway…after telling big lie after big lie to the district, what’s one more lie?

    If all the facts line up on one side of the debate, yet Richmond leaders stand on the opposite side, then I think it is reasonable to conclude that these people are corrupt or incredibly stupid. Your argument against the bond is logical Mrs. Buck. While opponents may call you a moron, they can’t dispute your facts.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 23, 2008 @ 10:59 am | Reply

  109. Lois,
    Perhaps in attempt to bait the actual members of the Buffoon Brigade out and show their true colors, you took my words to include you, it wasn’t meant towards you, please accept my apologies to you. Like I told you before, you actually show intellect and inteligence when posting on the blog.

    Our best answer is to get a new, better mind set on the school committee. I would love to see the likes of Bill Day, Andy Poluski, George Abbott and at least a couple of others be voted off the school committee. I firmly believe that the school committee needs to represent us all, not just their own town. Yes, they need to stand up for all of the taxpayers in the district. I also find it hard to understand why Hopkinton seems to worship the ground that Bill Felkner walks on. He has had some good ideas but his tactics are all wrong and he’s not a very strong representative for your town when he misses almost as many meetings as he attends. He’s not being fair to your town or to the school district.

    I agree with your first “It’s time to”, you’ll get not objection from me on that, the towns show exacatly that and the school district needs to also. The second one might work for Hopkinton but I don’t think it can work for Richmond, a this time, since Richmond is out room in the current elementary school. I’m not 100% sure about Charlestown but I don’t think they have a lot of room to spare either. Hopkinton is the only one of towns that has the luxury of having two schools in the town. With a little re-arranging, you could probably have at least the 5th grade in the town’s schools.

    I take a different view on maintenance, I’ve seen some of the problems at the middle school and at the high school since my child has gone to school in both buildings, you might have also. I’d like to see the repairs get done once and for all then we, the voters in all 3 towns, need to hold the school committee’s and the administration’s collective feet to the fire and keep the schools in good condition. But I also respect and understand where you are coming from.

    In conclusion, Lois, I give you much credit for not stooping to the level of making broad based assumptions of others. Some of those assumptions are so far off base that they are laughable. You’re willing to listen, what you have done is much more beneficial to the district. I wish there were more people in Hopkinton like yourself who are actually willing to discuss, then maybe someday soon we can all come to an understanding and some compromise on the issues.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 23, 2008 @ 3:24 pm | Reply

  110. Hopkinton has been the only town willing to go beyond name calling. Our leaders are the only ones who have ideas. Richmond and Charlestown pass every budget and insist we pass a bond. Not a new idea and not a good idea.

    If Hopkinton is smart we’ll wait until Charlestown and Richmond show one iota of fiscal restraint before we approve any more spending by Chariho. Tax equity would go a long way in demonstrating to Hopkinton that they mean business about controlling spending.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 23, 2008 @ 4:54 pm | Reply

  111. CR, one more time you show us that you’re full of the proverbial bull excrement! That’s all you and the other members of the Buffoon Brigade know how to do is name calling! Tax equity as you and your “leaders” want it is certainly not the Utopia you make it out to be and it is not the ultimate answer. Something needs to be done in case there’s a major fluctuation due to some catastrophic event that drastically alters the taxing capability for any of the towns! Like I’ve said, I’m waiting to see what innovative ideas Ms Thompson has that have been mentioned in the Westerly Sun.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 23, 2008 @ 5:14 pm | Reply

  112. I would ignore you CharihoParent except you keep repeating the same lies and I’m afraid somebody might happen upon us here and not realize what a fool you are.

    Tax equity protects Charlestown from a catastrophic event. They are not protected now. Tax equity is based on the assessed value of every piece of property in the district. When property is washed out to sea it no longers retains its value. The other property owners then would make up the lost taxes. Get it? I’m sure you don’t.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 23, 2008 @ 7:38 pm | Reply

  113. Curious is right on the catastrophic event scenario. As it is now, the people of Charlestown are solely responsible for their share of the budget. With tax equity, if the shoreline property is wiped out, which occurred during the 38 Hurricane, the hurt that Charlestown would feel would be spread out between all 3 towns. We would all feel it.

    When Harriet Allen brought this out at the December 4th meeting, I couldn’t understand her thinking. I gave it some thought and realized that she was wrong. Tax equity has its ups and downs for all 3 towns. In prosperity, Charlestown seemingly helps the other 2 towns. In a Katrina scenario, we would help them. This is a true community of people.

    I would hate the Katrina or 38 Hurricane scenario to happen. I pray it never does.

    Comment by Lois Buck — June 23, 2008 @ 9:36 pm | Reply

  114. I speak of the devastation of a hurricane in that I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

    I lived in Charlestown from ’82-’93, ironically because the taxes were cheaper and my parents wanted me to complete my high schooling at Chariho. My time there will always be a part of me.

    I will always wish the best for the people of Charlestown.

    I hope there will be a way that the people of the 3 towns can work out their differences. As I read these responses, I feel hope is slipping away.

    Comment by Lois Buck — June 23, 2008 @ 10:09 pm | Reply

  115. Silly arguments like hurricanes wiping out Charlestown aside I don’t see how it can work out. Hopkinton can’t afford the kind of school system Charlestown can afford. Richmond can’t afford it either but they like playing pretend. Charlestown has said that they will never agree to have their families pay as much taxes as Hopkinton families.

    As long as Hopkinton is mixed in with the other two we will not get control of spending and our town will spiral down, down, down. We will either be forced to bring in businesses which we don’t want or many families will need to leave to make room for wealthier families who can afford the taxes.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 24, 2008 @ 12:21 am | Reply

  116. Did I say anything about a hurricane? No! I said a catastrophic event in ANY of the three towns. In such case, then the other two towns could have a sudden major shift of the burden towards them, a sudden dramatic rise in taxation, I don’t think anyone would want to see that either. Lois, unfortunatly, we can’t currently come to any agreement on what community is or isn’t, each of the three towns has their own idea on what community is, and in many cases, there’s division within each town how the idea of community should be handled. I’m looking for some middle ground here, some way we can come to a compromise between what Hopkinton wants to see and what Charlestown wants to see in regards to taxation.

    Here is what your own Hopkinton’s own Finance Director has proposed (The Westerly Sun, June 22,2008 front page article titled “Debate remains hot over how to split funding for Chariho”), so far it sounds like a much more equatiable solution:

    Like Hosp, Lathrop said Hopkinton needs to stop basing tax equalization proposals on tax rates. And if Chariho were to become an independent tax­ing authority, he asked, “Do we want to add another adminis­tration?”
    Instead, Lathrop said those who want to change Chariho’s funding formula need to think outside the box.
    Although he doesn’t recom­mend a particular method, he devised a plan that would tack a $1.37-million surcharge to Charlestown’s total contribu­tion, based the current fiscal year’s figures. The formula: subtract the average household tax in Charlestown from the average household tax for all three towns. That difference would then be multiplied by the number of homes in Charlestown to determine the surcharge.
    For the average taxpayer, Lathrop calculated that the owner of a home in Charlestown assessed at $486,667 would pay an addi­tional $195 annually. In Richmond, a homeowner with a house assessed at $294,742 would save $162, and a Hopkinton taxpayer with a home assessed at $295,832 would save $139.
    Lathrop noted that Chariho separates its schools in its spending plan. He suggested that towns could pay based on the number of students in each division.
    But no matter which formula is chosen, Lathrop said Hopkinton and Richmond must makes concessions. “I think it’s up to the councils to decide,” he said.

    Mr. Lathrop is right on when he asks, “Do you want add another administration?” Mr. Lathrop has at least come up with somethign of a compromise, something that needs to be studied and worked out in more detail. At least someone is looking outside the box! But then again, is Mr. Lathrop a Hopkinton resident?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 8:23 am | Reply

  117. I suspect Lathrop was misquoted or his position wasn’t fully reported. Hopkinton resident or not he must know any plan which keeps Charlestown at a significant taxing advantage will ensure the status quo at Chariho.

    The one thing Hopkinton voters must understand is any plan which does not result in Charlestown families being on equal footing with Hopkinton famiies when they vote on bonds and budgets will mean 50 more years of wasteful and irresponsible spending. If Charlestown can buy their education at a discount to Hopkinton then they won’t have the same expectations as us. We need Charlestown to join our reality or they will continue to force their fantasies on us.

    The Westeerly Sun is like Richmond. They never oppose expanding government especially schools. I wouldn’t put it past them to misrepresent Lathrop’s thnking on this issue.

    Sylvia Thompson has been on top of the numbers. I doubt she’d favor any taxing scheme which does not eventually put Hopkinton on an equal playing field with Charlestown. A $1.3 million surcharge is a drop in the bucket and would do little to control Charlestown’s urge to spend.

    Comment by Truth or Consequences — June 24, 2008 @ 9:26 am | Reply

  118. TorC, here you go again, making assumptions without any knowledge of the what’s going on. Instead of just throwing it aside, come up with something that’s workable for all sides, not just Hopkinton’s side. A least Mr. Lathrop has come up with a starting point. Something you’re unwilling to do, it’s not just about Hopkinton. I give Lois credit for wanting to try to build community spirit amongst the three towns but with your attitude it will never happen.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 11:10 am | Reply

  119. A hurricane is a catastrophic event as evidenced in 38. Yes, there is always the possibility of other castastrophic events, like the flooding occurring in the midwest. As a resident of Hopkinton, our concern is the area dams that are stressed, which could fail. That would be catastrophic for Hopkinton. The same could be said that if a catastrophic event occurred in either Hopkinton or Richmond, the taxing district scenario would benefit them as well. Like I said, it has its ups and downs. We can’t predict the future.

    As far as the notion that a new administration would have to be formed, I would question that. I would have to know more about that to come to some conclusion. If a town was to withdraw, the same thing could be said.

    Mr. Lathrop has had a number of scenarios that he has generated, I believe many originated prior to Dec. 4th. The Hop. HTC tried to encourage communication between the finance people then. I understand that he was ready to talk, and they weren’t. If there is communication now, then that is extremely positive. We shall see.

    Comment by Lois Buck — June 24, 2008 @ 11:13 am | Reply

  120. Lois, that’s what I’m trying to figure out. How can we do something like this without having too far of a swing up or down. Something to try to hold it a little more on course, something somewhat predictable to all the taxpayers for all three towns.

    I’m not sure how much communication has gone on, I haven’t been privy to any of that information. Wouldn’t your husband be able to find out since he is a councilor? If we can’t get the town councils to talk civily to each other I don’t think there’s much chance to get the town treasures/finance directors talking right now.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 11:20 am | Reply

  121. The Dec. 4th meeting was civil, but too early in that there was a lot of hurt and frustration just following the bond vote.

    I will say that communication exists. It has been civil. Whether anything could ever be worked out, one can only pray.

    I have my own meaning of community. My meaning goes beyond boundaries. With others, their community stops at the boundary lines. Who is right?

    The children have a better grip on community than the adults. Their friendships have no boundaries.

    If we can’t come to some kind of understanding, even with the simplest of terms, how are we to ever solve the problems with our district and our schools?

    Comment by Lois Buck — June 24, 2008 @ 11:43 am | Reply

  122. Lathrop may have several scenarios but the Sun put the emphasis on an idea which would do little to close the gap in taxes. I don’t expect Charlestown families to immediately take on the same tax burden as Hopkinton families. I think a phased in equity agreement would be okay as long as it didn’t take too long.

    Remember that as long as Charlestown people can vote for budgets without paying the same price as Hopkinton people then they are more likely to ignore bad budgets as they have in the past. The sooner they experience our burden the sooner we can work together to get Chariho spending under control.

    Comment by Real Question — June 24, 2008 @ 1:12 pm | Reply

  123. MAY HAVE… I SUSPECT… RQ, stop with the assumptions when you don’t know!

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 4:23 pm | Reply

  124. Lois, I’m glad to hear that there is at least some sort of communication going on between the towns at some level. I agree with you, the kids have a better grasp of it then the adults do. My daughter has friends in all three towns, it’s regardless of borders. There’s no put downs because someone is from Richmond or Hopkinton or Charlestown. I think it’s going to much more than understanding, it’s also going to take compromise and trust and an end to the name calling and labels that serve no purpose. This is something I’m not seeing very much of lately. Unfortunatly, you’re one of the few trying to reach out and do something, I trust that your husband is on the same wavelength as what you are.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 4:30 pm | Reply

  125. And when CharihoParent’s daughter goes to the movies with her friends from Charlestown does she pay $10 for her tickets while her Charlestown pals pay $4.25 for the same movie?

    I wonder how well they’d get a long if every time they went someplace together the Charlestown friends paid half what the children from Richmond and Hopkinton paid?

    Oh, but it’s okay because the Charlestown friends are from Charlestown and they don’t have as many children attending the movies. Besides, it’s been this way for years and it would unfair to the Charlestown father-in-laws who have gotten conditioned to paying half as much as Richmond and Charlestown father-in-laws.

    I’m sure CharihoParent’s daughter would be very happy to pay more for the same products and services. This is what daddy has been teaching her. We may not think it is very bright, but they are happy with the situation. They’ve convinced themselves it is fair. She’s been trained to be an excellent Richmond taxpayers someday. Charlestown thanks you.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 24, 2008 @ 4:53 pm | Reply

  126. That’s not all Curious Rez. Don’t forget the Rich kids don’t mind spending $10 when Charl kids pay $4.25. (They’re not very bright because their daddios told them paying extra for the same movie is a-ok.)

    Also don’t forget that the kids vote on how often to go to the movies. The Hop kids not only pay $10 but they have to go to the movies whenever the Charl and Rich kids decide they want to go!

    Even if the Hop kids can’t afford the movies it is just too damned bad! And don’t even think about asking the Charl kids to pony up a fair amount. It aint happening! What if a hurricane came along and messed up the Charl kids hair? They need to save money in case.

    Comment by SugarShack — June 24, 2008 @ 5:37 pm | Reply

  127. Constipated Resident, here’s your fallacy. Nope, because that are paying PER PERSON. Just like the payment for Chariho is PER STUDENT! If I bring three people to movies and you bring four people, do you expect to share the cost and we each pay for 3.5 persons?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 6:40 pm | Reply

  128. Depends.

    Do we get to pick the movie or do you pick? Do we have to go to the same movies as you? Can we go to the matinee at the discounted price? Or are you and your friends able to insist we pay and go later when it’s more expensive?

    If we have to share control of the decision making with you and your friends, then we should all pay equally. On the other hand, if we get to make our own decisions, then I’m happy to pay for what we choose to do and you can pay for what you want to do.

    So far Chariho has been a shared decision (district) except when it comes to taxes. If you want to make it ala carte, maybe we’re on to something. Vouchers would be a great first step toward the ala carte approach. Maybe Richmond and Charlestown can pass a 20 year bond for a track and not allow Hopkinton children to use it? I could live with that as long as you pay us our share for the use of the land.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 24, 2008 @ 7:23 pm | Reply

  129. Ah ok, I didn’t know you needed depends.

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 7:39 pm | Reply

  130. Constipated Resident, I was speaking in regards to a mutual decision to go to the movies. Let’s make this one even simpler for you to comprehend. Your family and another family have decided to go to the movies. Their family consists of 4 children plus the two parents. Your family consists of 2 children plys the parents. How is the bill for the tickets split up?

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 7:42 pm | Reply

  131. And again, is my family beholden to the other family’s demands? If so, then it is a shared expense. If my family gets to make its own decision, i.e., go to the cheaper matinee, then we will take full responsibility for our choices.

    Your example makes my point very well. You may not understand it, but thank you anyway.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 24, 2008 @ 7:52 pm | Reply

  132. Constipated Resident, I said “mutual decision”, nothing demanded. And you’re full of bull excrement that it would be shared cost! You know darn well that you would pay for family and the other one would pay for their family. You’re too darn cheap to kick in and pay for one of their children! .. You’re surely are hysterical!

    Comment by CharihoParent — June 24, 2008 @ 8:33 pm | Reply

  133. What is the mutual decision? I want to go to the matinee and the other family wants to go at the more expensive time…what’s mutual about that?

    Have you paid any attention to the budget and bond votes? Hopkinton clearly has asked for the matinee while Charlestowns is ready for a night out on the town…no mutual decision there.

    If Hopkinton families get to make their own decision on spending at Chariho, then I’m sure we’ll have no problem paying for our choices. As long as Charlestown families have any power to tell us where and how our money will be spent, then they should be equally sharing the costs.

    Comment by Curious Resident — June 24, 2008 @ 9:52 pm | Reply

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