Chariho School Parents’ Forum

January 22, 2009


Filed under: contract negotiations,Unions — Editor @ 6:27 pm

Judge Pfiffer has ruled in favor of the East Providence School Committee and denied the injunction requested by the NEA.  The pay cuts, copays and removal of buy-backs and longevity will remain in effect.  I will post a link to the decision and upcoming press release asap.

This is a great day for the taxpayers of RI.

Click HERE to see how this started.



  1. Welcome to the real world East Providence teachers. Now if we can only bring our own school into the real world.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 22, 2009 @ 7:00 pm | Reply

  2. Oh, and the judge deserves a lot of credit for doing what is right rather than what is politically required. In Rhode Island this takes a lot of courage.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 22, 2009 @ 7:01 pm | Reply

  3. While I am also happy about this, we should be clear that what the judge did was refuse to grant an emergency rollback of the pay cut and increased copays, saying instead that the state labor relations board is the proper venue for addressing this topic. He did not rule on the merits of the issue, although he could later on appeal.

    So it’s not an ultimate win, but it’s heartening that a court ruled this way.


    Comment by david — January 22, 2009 @ 10:54 pm | Reply

  4. … David, are you under the belief the LRB has the authority to force the SC to rollback the pay cuts ??

    ….or is the LRB’s function to assess the procedures followed and determine if the proper procedures were followed ??

    Comment by RS — January 22, 2009 @ 11:14 pm | Reply

  5. I happy with the judge because so many judges take the law into their own hands. This judge respected the law. Judges in New York ruled that communities have to spend an amount court determined was necessary for education. Ridiculous, but true. I’m at the point when I’ll praise a judge for not going beyond the scope of their responsibilities.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 22, 2009 @ 11:56 pm | Reply

  6. Very true, David. But considering the history of labor control in RI, IMHO, this is huge. And SLRB would be step one – it would need to go back to court. During this time the EPSC proposals remain in effect.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — January 23, 2009 @ 12:40 am | Reply

  7. To RS — I actually don’t know what powers the LRB has, but any organizaiton in RI with the name “labor” in their title makes me nervous when it’s dealing with management v. union issues.

    I agree this is a big step forward, but it’s not victory yet…

    Comment by david — January 23, 2009 @ 8:20 am | Reply

  8. Interpreting the opinions of the court is an interesting matter. This one is no diferent, the court’s decision is based in a rather bland previously decided scope. Money is not grounds for injuctive relief.

    Not sure what basis to read more into the decision, I suppose if the court felt differently, it would have had an equally bland decision going the other way.

    Comment by Gene Daniell — January 23, 2009 @ 9:24 am | Reply

  9. Don’t forget the LRB is an apponted position. So yes politics are at play within the group.

    Comment by RS — January 23, 2009 @ 10:41 am | Reply

  10. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t the labor board also have an abundance of union hacks on it?

    Comment by CharihoParent — January 23, 2009 @ 10:57 am | Reply

  11. I hope you’re wrong about union hacks, but you’re probably right. It might not be the end of the world should the board decide East Providence can’t cut employee pay and benefits at will. Maybe if a few Rhode Island towns and cities are forced into bankruptcy we’ll see more public concern.

    Per usual, this is all about the tolerance of the community to put up with nonsense. As we’ve seen, and whined about, with Chariho, our communities continue to bend over voluntarily to whatever Chariho demands. If it takes the total collapse of a town for the public to wake up, then I hope we are next.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 23, 2009 @ 11:40 am | Reply

  12. Richmond and Hopkinton are close to what I hear from leaky sources. We in Charlestown should have built our own school. Yes taxes would have doubled and some would be forced to leave like members of the Richmond Hopkinton communities are already forced to. Our taxes still would have been cheaper than the other two towns with that type of increase. But what price full control of your own business, more taxes. Nobody said reality was fair, just glad I could afford it if we had the fortitude to have done it.

    Comment by United We Stand — January 23, 2009 @ 12:36 pm | Reply

  13. Hopefully, Joe B Reddish and Ms. Thompson or Mr. Buck will show their numbers as to how close bankruptcy is on their towns door steps. It’s been noted in the Urinal (Paul and Al reference) or correctly in the Pro Journal. Your not alone 80% of the state is bankrupt thanks to the school.


    Comment by Sandy — January 23, 2009 @ 6:28 pm | Reply

  14. Thanks to the schools as should be written above. Hey Chariho is wonderful lets pay the tuition going forward per child we have to get full control. It’s only what $13, 000 plus each year lets go for it. Pay or get out.

    Comment by Sandy — January 23, 2009 @ 7:15 pm | Reply

  15. Last year was $14,225 per student. The budget is up marginally but enrolments continue to drop. So we are well over $14k per.

    The real shocker is elementary student costs of $11,000 plus. No sports, labs, hi-tech, etc… And we presume they don’t need the ‘guidance’ staff seen in HS either. A combination of high salary and benefit costs and low student-to-employee ratios are the budget drivers.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — January 23, 2009 @ 7:39 pm | Reply

  16. Bill, did you calculate that number ($11K per elementary student) yourself, or is that published somewhere?

    Anyway, some thoughts…

    Doesn’t elementary have significantly lower class size guidelines? And I would think on average you have more senior teachers there (no teen attitude!), so perhaps the average salary per teacher is higher in elementary…

    Comment by david — January 24, 2009 @ 12:36 pm | Reply

  17. The new state mandated budget structure makes it possible to determine an answer to your question, teacher by school cost is itemized.

    Comment by Gene Daniell — January 24, 2009 @ 12:51 pm | Reply

  18. RIDE does provide those individual school cost breakdowns. And you may be right on the senior teacher point. Not sure. As for class sizes, those are spelled out in the contract. You can check to be sure (listed at but I think the K-1 is about 20 per, 2-3 @ 21, and rising to 24 or 25 for HS.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — January 24, 2009 @ 1:11 pm | Reply

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