Chariho School Parents’ Forum

January 23, 2009

Good news and bad news

Filed under: contract negotiations,Unions — Editor @ 12:33 am

Good news:

Anchorrising has posted the judges decision on the East Providence case.  Interestingly, it actually looks like a draft of the decision as there are comments in the margin from presumably the clerk editing the piece. 

A press release from the EPSC is also posted.  Please check them out over at AR (www.anchorrising.com).

And while you are there reading about a tremendous David and Goliath success story, remember that it all started because the EPSC refused to negotiate in closed sessions.  They knew that the only way to ensure that the taxpayer’s wishes would be achieved was to empower those taxpayers with information and put them on equal footing with the union membership.

Then come back here and follow this LINK to see the Chariho negotiation ground rules. Notably, number 7 (the bad news).

Negotiating sessions shall be conducted in meetings closed to the public to the extent permitted by the Open Meetings Act. Attendance shall be limited to negotiating team members and members of the administration whose presence is requested by the School Committee to address issues applicable to their area of responsibility.

I guess all the support they heard for open meeting didn’t mean anything to them.  But when over half of the Committee members have family employed at Chariho, and when the majority were elected unopposed (and the chair is going to school to become a teacher), what should we expect. 

They didn’t even follow the governor’s lead given in the supplemental budget (Article 26) requiring contract to be presented to the public 30 days prior to ratification.  Your Chariho representatives just agreed to a deal that is not only negotiated behind closed doors, but it also says this:

Any contract tentatively agreed to by the negotiating teams shall be subject to ratification and acceptance by the membership of NEA Chariho and the Chariho Regional School Committee.

That’s right – the public can’t see it until after it is ratified  (after we can do anything about it) but the union membership can see it and tell their negotiators “no”. 

And finally, in a previous email to Holly Eaves (way back when I was still recognized as a Committee member) I asked her to include one other item in the ground rules.  When I was in the previous negotiations, I noticed that we presented a list of changes we were considering.  But as the negotiations went on we wanted to make changes on an issue that was not previously considered.  The NEA said we couldn’t even consider a change because it wasn’t outlined in the original proposal. So I suggested to Mrs. Eaves that she should include a line saying that we reserve the right to introduce new issues that are not previously outlined.  Well, I’ve read the document and I don’t see anything providing that liberty. Maybe she forgot. I can’t see any other reason they wouldn’t want the ability to ‘come up with a new idea as the meetings progress.

Its a great day for RI taxpayers, but a lousy day for Chariho taxpayers.  Another negotiations where the union membership must approve anything the union negotiators do, but the taxpayers (who pay all the bills) are kept in the dark. Why do we put up with this?

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33 Comments »

  1. For the record, I am extremely disappointed that the negotiations are not open to the public.

    Comment by Gene Daniell — January 23, 2009 @ 9:20 am | Reply

  2. Sometimes illiterate woodchoppers is apt.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 23, 2009 @ 9:24 am | Reply

  3. Backbone is needed. Instead of selling and moving away (if they can)

    Comment by United We Stand — January 23, 2009 @ 12:17 pm | Reply

  4. Public negotiaions would be good, but this provision really stinks:

    “Negotiations shall remain confidential between the School Committee and the union negotiating team until such time as a tentative agreement is reached.”

    Thus, we get no feedback until they’re done on anything. Do we really believe that the union negotiators aren’t going to report to the membership how it’s going?

    Comment by david — January 23, 2009 @ 4:39 pm | Reply

  5. David,
    Technically, the NEA negotiators must get the union membership’s approval of the contract before it is ratified. The taxpayers have no such rights in Chariho.

    From the ground rules:
    Any contract tentatively agreed to by the negotiating teams shall be subject to ratification and acceptance by the membership of NEA Chariho and the Chariho Regional School Committee.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — January 23, 2009 @ 5:39 pm | Reply

  6. I am simply overcome by the complete ignorance that is so pervasive on this entire site. I could write for page upon page, but why waste time trying to throw logic into the minds of fools? Do you REALLY think that you can break down a teacher’s day into the hours simply spent in front of children? Do you think the lessons prepare themselves? Do you think the papers correct themselves? Do you think the college credits accrue themselves? You have absolutely no idea what goes into the profession (simply having gone to school does not make all of you experts, by the way) and portray yourselves as uneducated (ah, the irony) buffoons in most everything you say. You want to talk about similarly educated professionals? Oh, you mean the ones who, according to a 2007 Harvard study looking into the impact of the internet, only work 2.2 hours during an 8 hour day because they can chat with co-workers, go to the bathroom, take one hour lunches, surf the internet, get a coffee, gossip, etc. With 25 kids rotating every hour sitting in front of you, a 6.5 hour day is, well, ACTUALLY A 6.5 HOUR DAY. You can make the numbers sound like whatever you’d like, but the fact is that my daycare lady gets $5 per hour/$40 per day for every child she watches and she doesn’t even have to educate them. You want to go apples to apples? Give your teachers $5 per hour for every kid they teach. That’d be 120 kids for the day, each having been taught for one hour…is $600 dollars a day unreasable? I don’t speculate on other people’s professions because I do not palaver upon things of which I do not know unless I take the time to do the research. So please you people, take the time to educate yourselves before simply firing away at teachers because your taxes are mismanaged by towns who elect people unable to manage funds. Before harping on test scores, understand the environment surrounding them (kids are told they “don’t count for personal grades” so the majority finish the two hour test in half the time, yet it is a barometer for teacher effectivesness. Think about that. Did you KNOW that? Probably not. You are not there). Research the difficulty of teaching the modern child, complete with more broken homes than at any time in history. Kids are more medicated, more depressed, and more disillusioned than ever because of the caving of the American family. You need to realize that when you target the foundation of a community in such negative and completely off base/misinformed ways, it will fall upon itself. Bill, keep up with you ignorant rhetoric and maybe some day you will realize just how misguided your attention is. It is actually people like you that lead to the downfall of communities. Find a mirror and look into it.

    Comment by You kidding me? — January 24, 2009 @ 1:28 pm | Reply

  7. Hi there, “you kidding me”. By the way, it would be easier to read your contribution is you had used paragraphs to break up your key points.

    I actually agree with you on several points. I am not one who will say teachers get an astronomical wage per hour by counting just their required hours in school. I also agree that teachers deserve their summer. Nor do I think that standardized test scores are much of a measure of school or teacher effectiveness.

    On the other hand, to say teachers’ don’t make good money is incorrect compared with the Chariho communities in terms of median income levels, and the fact that teachers are tenured and not paid based on skill or effectiveness bothers me, and many others.

    I was a board member at a private school for many years, so although I can’t relate to what a teacher goes through directly, I definitely dealt with many of your issues in terms of the human resource, budgetary, and management issues involved.

    To relate your post to the thread, here are some important (I believe) thoughts, if you want to discuss them:

    The EP school committee has said they’re trying to correct past mismanagement which allowed teacher pay and benefits to run out of control relative to the city’s ability to raise taxes, especially now with the economy in a nosedive. Given that teachers compenstaion is 87% of the EP school budget, shouldn’t that be where they look for savings in tight financial times?

    Why shouldn’t the public get input on the ongoing teacher contract negotiations, given that the public is going to pay the bill?

    Shouldn’t the teacher contract encourage improved teaching and learning, rather than simply defending seniority and lowest common denomonator behavior?

    Comment by david — January 24, 2009 @ 5:19 pm | Reply

  8. Don’t get me started…you work 6.5 hours a day, period. That is 32.5 hours per week. The average professional, today, in order to keep their job, (they do not have contracts that ensure they have a job the next day!), works, on the average, 49 hours per week, and, they take their work home! So in reality, starting with just this fact, the average professional (excluding the teaching profession), physically works over 7.5 hours a week more than teachers, in addition, many professionals have to go into work on Saturdays! They have to meet deadlines, they have to prove their value to the company everyday by the quality of their work or they will be replaced! Ok, now let’s talk about time off. Many professionals go for years without taking time to go on a 2 week vacation! The paid holidays are continuing to be eliminated and one hour lunches don’t exist at many companies any more. Did you even KNOW that??? (One thing you need to understand is that in the ‘real world’ you don’t take studies at face value. You should know what population base was used in the study, and whether the study was done in 2007 or during those blissful years that had led us into this depressive economic state of deflation). Now we will discuss the teaching profession.
    I agree; I always use the analogy that hiring a new ‘teacher’ right out of college, is the same as hiring a recent college graduate and putting them in charge of 120 employees! However, the teacher gets into a routine after teaching a few years, and nothing more is expected from them. In business an employee’s value depends on performance; a yearly raise, (which typically is equivalent to the cost of living if the employee is doing a satisfactory job), depends on performance; competition is severe and the knowledge that no one is indispensible is a consistent threat that permeates through entire organizations. There is not a union that can intervene. A contract does not exist that assures the employees that their position will still be there tomorrow, which is why time off from work is diminishing.
    Speaking of time-off, teachers work 6.5 hours a day, which includes 2 periods off for lesson planning(?) and a study hall. A teacher’s schedule includes: days off for all federal holidays, 1 week in February, 1 week in Aprl, 4 days for Thanksgiving, and 7 to 10 days at Christmas, (This is during the school year; we know about the 2 months during the summers.) Then, there are the series of “Parent / Teacher conferences” (2 days off for students, but it is scheduled before or after a weekend, therefore it actually is a 4 day weeked), and another 4 day weekend scheduled for “Teacher’s Planning Days”, or whatever they are referred to that particular year. Just the Christmas, February and April vacations gives teachers 15 additional days off, (it usually takes a full year before an employee outside the teaching profession is eligible for a 1-2 week vacation, depending on the company). Add those to the 60 days off during the summer and you have 75 days off! Add in all the holidays and days off for “teacher’s days”, making over $40K to start, adding on double-digit raises each year, I do not blame parents for expecting teachers to be capable of teaching any child. It sounds like you chose the wrong profession, or you are young. You sound like you do not think much about the students or their families of the community where YOU ‘teach’. You are insulting the people that pay your salary, do you understand that? You throw the blame on the parents, on society, without using your position as a teacher as a way to influence students, making lesson plans that ‘rotate’ around the students, instead of making lesson plans that are for your convenience.
    Taxpayers, “You kidding me?”(Comment #6), is a perfect example of the quality of teaching your children are receiving at Chariho; hired by the sc that obviously liked #6 because of personal character and lack of interest in educating your children. This person epitomizes the mentality of the sc. I am surprised #6 is not a member! Maybe there is a relative in the administration. #6 mentions “negative” and “mis-informed”, I would have to say this person gave us a clear example of both of those terms. What concerns me is that #6 is influencng 120 students and it is easy to see that the majority of problem is the lack of teaching skills. #6 should consider another career; perhaps a “day care lady”?
    P.S. Don’t lecture to a community that is putting food on your table and do not insult a man that who defends and fights for a better education for the students you ‘tolerate'(?) everyday. He is for the student, or maybe that is where your conflict with him begins…

    Comment by ON STANDBY — January 24, 2009 @ 7:02 pm | Reply

  9. I assume You Kidding Me is a teacher. Couldn’t help but notice the lack of paragraphs. I see David caught this too. I’d work on that if I were a teacher (or somebody inclined to write anything).

    I have to wonder how much reading You Kidding Me actually did here? I do believe teachers are grossly overpaid and work far too few hours, but the most of the discussions here center on the School Committee and Chariho’s administration.

    You Kidding Me sounds like a union hack feigning indignation. Hope they learn to use paragraphs and stick around. I’m guessing they’re a hit and run poster.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 24, 2009 @ 7:24 pm | Reply

  10. Mr. Felkner has a letter in ProJo…they credit him with being a School Committee member.

    http://www.projo.com/opinion/letters/content/LT_felk_RDY_01-23-09_4SCUTIB_v7.427f898.html

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 24, 2009 @ 11:47 pm | Reply

  11. Yeah, I’d stick around but why try to actually throw facts into the fray when harping on conjecture and make believe is so much damn fun??? You commented on my abilities to teach with such confidence and bravado and made some very cool sounding generalizations and steroetypes, yet I don’t even teach in this town and you have never met me. Please try to pause to see the beauty of what you just did. I am sure it felt wonderful to make so many ‘confident’ points that were mostly incorrect. You just made my point beautifully so thank you. It should be used as the posterchild post for many of the things written on this site.

    As for paragraphs? Hmmm. It’s a post on a site of angry people and mostly uninformed citizens for crying out loud. By the way, simply hitting the “enter” button after two or three sentences does not make for fine paragraphing.

    And ‘curious resident,’ let me help you out. “You Kidding Me sounds like a union hack feigning indignation. Hope they learn to use paragraphs and stick around. I’m guessing they’re a hit and run poster.” When you refer to “You Kidding Me” you are referencing a single person, so the pronoun following needs to be singular (“he”) and not plural (“they”). Maybe if you had better teachers you wouldn’t be so disgruntled.

    Hit and run poster? You are probably right, as I probably won’t check this on an hourly basis like yourself. I just stumbled upon it the other day, but I have many better things to do so I am really sorry that I may not come back to read for a while. I mean, heck, with those overflowing hours of excess I have as a teacher you would think I could check this as much as you do.

    Comment by You kidding me? — January 25, 2009 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  12. Welcome back. When (if?) you address the questions I asked you, please feel free to tell me where I’m misinformed and where you find that I’m angry.

    Comment by david — January 25, 2009 @ 8:03 pm | Reply

  13. Hi ‘You Kidding Me’,

    There’s many different sorts of people on this blog with a variety of opinions and temperments. It’s not rare that someone jumps on Curious Resident. Clearly, your rant wasn’t meant to be constructive. So please do take the time to make your case.

    I’ve got two issues with teacher contracts:

    1. Negotiated in secret with gag rules.

    2. Compensation structure is not like what those of us in the private sector have. I’d like all gov’t employees and private sector employees to have similar structures. Yes, I want teachers to stress out over their 401Ks just like I do.

    Comment by Gene Daniell — January 25, 2009 @ 8:20 pm | Reply

  14. David,
    Could you please explain why you feel that teachers “deserve their summer”. I’m quite puzzeled about that comment.

    I wouldn’t say that teachers work any more than any other professional yet we don’t get a whole summer off. We don’t get 3 other weeks during the year off either. That’s 13 weeks vacation, a whole quarter of the year, plus how much sick/personal time do they also get? Granted, some teachers expand their education during the summer months, but not all. I wish I could get 13 weeks off every year and be able to take some courses to achieve some of the certifications that I would love to have but reality does not let me do this and I have to take evening classes to get my certifications.

    Comment by CharihoParent — January 25, 2009 @ 8:58 pm | Reply

  15. I have to agree with you, especially on the compensation. Due to touch economic times we’re lucky at my company to get a 2% increase, not even a COLA wage adjustment. My 401k, I have two, one from a former employer and one from my current employer, I hate to say how much I’ve lost on my 401k plans in the last twelve months.

    Comment by CharihoParent — January 25, 2009 @ 9:01 pm | Reply

  16. Hi CP.

    I think there is more than a germ of truth in the post by “you kidding me” regarding the amount of time many professional people are really engaged in work. Much of that discussion rang true to me. Meanwhile, a teacher is generally the only adult in the room with a bunch of kids to whom his/her every word will be written down and/or described to some other adult later. They are “on” stage every day. Unlike many of us, they can rarely control how their day goes.

    I consider it a very taxing way to earn a living, and I for one do not begrudge them their summer vacation (which is more like nine weeks), especially given that, unlike many other professionals, they have to pay for their own courses that are required for their job.

    Having had many friends who work as teachers at the school where I was a board member, I’ve observed the amount of energy teaching can take.

    I completely understand if you disagree, but that’s why I said that.

    Comment by david — January 25, 2009 @ 10:10 pm | Reply

  17. WOW! I go aways for a few days and come back to several new posters. First let me welcome you and thank you for your comments.

    After reading much of the posts, I found very little useful information. This reminded me of a quote by Alfred Adler:

    “There is only one reason for an individual to side-step to the useless side : the fear of a defeat on the useful side.”

    Comment by RS — January 25, 2009 @ 10:21 pm | Reply

  18. David,
    In my profession, I have to heed to the needs of over 150 users every single day. Not one of my days goes as plan due to unseen events that come up during the day. If I want to get my certifications, I have to pay out of pocket, this has been true for almost every company that I’ve worked for. Only one company that I worked for would pay for the courses and would pay for the certification exam only if I passed it. Fortunaly, I passed the exams that I took while working for them on the first test but others took the exams and failed on the first try and some on the second try. Teacher are no different than the rest of us and deserve no special treatment.

    Comment by CharihoParent — January 25, 2009 @ 10:31 pm | Reply

  19. I’m with CP, my jobs (engineering & sales) have consumed much more than 40 hrs week. Lots of unpredictable days.

    I value what teachers do, I just don’t think it’s a lot different than other professionals in many ways.

    Comment by Gene Daniell — January 25, 2009 @ 11:17 pm | Reply

  20. Just because teachers whine about the hours they work, it doesn’t mean they really work very hard…when you see my post you can be pretty sure I’m on the computer working…at least 50 hours per week.

    I know some of what goes on in school. My child has spent at least 20 hours this quarter watching movies while the teachers correct papers. This includes movies with little relevance to subject matter. My child seems to have at least one substitute every week. And what about Art, Music, Gym, Guidance Counselors, Psychologists, Social Workers, Special Ed., and the many other teachers who rarely have any “work” to do once their 6 hour school day ends? And lets not pretend any teacher is in class 6 hours per day.

    My main beef has been with the administration of Chariho, but I don’t feel any empathy for teachers. A teaching degree is pretty easy as 4-year degrees go, and the Master degree they complain about is more of the same. I’d be all for getting rid of “certificates”. Instead we can find people who are experts in their fields and have the ability to teach. Teaching curriculum is mostly about teaching theories with not nearly enough core subject learning.

    As for my use of “they”…there was a time when the gender of the antecedant was unknown the subject pronound rule was to use “he”. As this became politically incorrect, the trend was to use “he/she”. Although there is no rule, the trend now is to use “they” rather than the cumbersome he/she. I’m rarely politically correct, but using “they” for an unknown subject works for me. Glad to see our teacher visitor does know about paragraphs. Too bad “he” didn’t actually read much of this blog.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 26, 2009 @ 12:54 am | Reply

  21. This all makes very nice reading, but the FACT remains the employer of the civil servants in RI are in a financial crisis. The cuts must be shared by all, and this includes the educational system. PERIOD.

    Comment by RS — January 26, 2009 @ 11:38 am | Reply

  22. Yes, RS, you’re quite correct. The cuts go all up and down the line. No one should be immune to the cuts.

    Comment by CharihoParent — January 26, 2009 @ 11:51 am | Reply

  23. “You Kidding Me” admits he isn’t a teacher at Chariho. Probably not even a local resident. He claimed to have read the blog, but considering he posted a defense of teachers when most of our discussions are about the School Committee and administration I’m doubtful he cares about anything other than teachers’ pay and benefits…the very definition of a union hack.

    He most likely has a special fondness for Mr. Felkner and in doing a Google search came across this little blog. Cared so much he chose not even to take the time to use paragraphs. The loser probably posts dozens of these types of meandering diatribes every day. Still can’t forget the tactics used by the teachers’ union which Mr. Felkner posted sometime ago. I wonder if “You Kidding Me” is related to union hack Petey Gingras?

    Since “You Kidding Me” only seems to parrot union talking points, I don’t expect they will bring anything of value to this blog. I do enjoy play time though 😉

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 26, 2009 @ 11:57 am | Reply

  24. Sounds like Mr. Crowley wants to participate,is the middle finger a misnomer to the tax payers

    Comment by michael — January 29, 2009 @ 6:41 pm | Reply

  25. Just a point that no one may be aware of, the teachers at Chariho get reimbursed for a percentage of the classes they take! Some local colleges send an ‘instructor’ to Chariho to teach a 3 credit class and it does not cost the teachers or whoever qualifies to take the course, any money. They don’t have to leave work, travel to a college, take a 2-3 hour class then return home around 9-11pm! Typically, to a professional that does not teach, taking a college course is over $600 in tuition, $200 for the book and materials, maybe $20 more in gas, (one night to and from class), and that is for a 3 credit course. I can not believe how much is hidden from the taxpayers! “You Kidding Me” you are part of this district, the art of Chariho’s lieing techniques is faily obvious when ONE has been around it for so long, (most honorable “ENGLISH NOBLEONE”). I do not doubt my confidence at all. I stand by my suggestion, if you are not in the teaching profession to teach, GET OUT!!! YOU are souring our (clarification: I use “our” because I believe no matter where you TEACH in this world, they are, OUR, as a highly qualified teacher would agree) OUR STUDENTS!!! So get out and let someone who cares about the education of our students and increasing the quality of their lives, take your place!

    Curious Resident is accurate when THEY talk about watching movies while teachers grade papers…something to add to that, it is not always educational! “Pirates of the Carribbean” is a very popular movie. Now, one of you highly qualified teachers, explain to us how many lesson plans revolve around this video and how is it improving the future lives of those students vegetating infront of you?

    Comment by ON STANDBY — January 30, 2009 @ 10:54 am | Reply

  26. What kinds of courses do the teachers take to earn their Masters? Is it more theories on teaching? Do they have to write a Master’s thesis? Get published? I know quite a few people with graduate degrees and their curriculum was quite rigorous. A scientist friend of mine spent 3 years, full time, working to get his Master’s. This included 16 hour days in the lab. He also wrote numerous grants. Do teachers have to go through anything close to this or is just a matter of taking and passing classes? I suspect the latter as I’ve never heard any teachers I know stress out about their Master’s workload. Perhaps they take classes in the finer point of viewing Pirates of the Carribean? Oh, and I hear Batman was popular this year. Even heard there were Batman questions given on tests. Now if we can only get NECAP to include Batman questions Chariho might be onto something.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 30, 2009 @ 11:13 am | Reply

  27. This was a rather amusing thread at first, but then it got really sad. This is what I see:

    1. Someone defends teachers and they get verbally assaulted six ways to sunday.
    2. Then the assailants pick on the lack of paragraphs (despite all the big words that the respondents had to look up). The stupidity of this attack was so retarded it made me actually laugh.
    3. Then they try to “discover” the identity of the poster or at least identify who they represent to try and discredit them.
    4. Not once do the flamers come to the table with anything constructive.

    Good god, what a bunch of imbeciles you all are. My advice to “You kidding me?” is to forget this forum ever existed. There are a bunch of very angry, very stupid people here. After reading this mess for the past month it is pretty clear that most of the posting is undertaken by illiterate buffoons who feel the need to blame others for their problems. They are all as assinine as Felkner himself. I wonder what tune Mr. Swann and the rest will be singing if they get laid off? They will probably scream even louder and say, “if I lose my job, why shouldn’t every one else lose theirs”.

    In my many years I have learned one concrete truth. People almost always pick on the faults of others that they themselves share. It is an odd behavioral pathology but you can easily figure out a persons own inadequacy by those that they find in others, real or imagined. If someone gets upset that you are not working long enough hours, it is generally the case that they are working even fewer hours. However, if they are actually working longer hours and want people to know it, they point out how many hours they are working, not how few hours everyone else is working. They place the focus on their good, not your evil. When people find the evil in other’s it is very often to cover up their own evil. Just read the news any day and you will see it is true.

    But I have to specifically point out one issue of foolishness, just to demonstrate how foolish the rest of it is. I read “Curious Residents” last post and I had to laugh again. Has he ever even been to college? Clearly not. “Just as matter of taking classes?”, he says. That’s a hoot. 75% of masters degrees require “nothing more” than taking 2 years of classes! What a fool. All those MBA’s and professional Neocons he professes love to? Just classes, you imbecile.

    “You kidding me?” is absolutely right. None of you have the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Yet you seem to think you know everything and you are certain that you are 100% right. I’ll bet you all voted for Sarah Palin. Hah! Peas in pod, so to speak.

    This is the saddest, most pathetic group of whining losers I have ever seen. Truly, truly idiotic. I’m not going to waste my time reading this garbage anymore. I’m going to do something productive instead.

    Comment by James Hobler — January 31, 2009 @ 2:23 pm | Reply

  28. Thank you for your constructive criticism as well.

    Comment by RS — January 31, 2009 @ 2:43 pm | Reply

  29. Mr. Hobler is obviously the unions’ 2008 debating champion.

    As I pointed out, and is obvious to anyone reading here at any length, almost all discussions are about the administration, the School Committee, contracts, test scores, and curriculum. Very little is said about the teachers themselves.

    Like all good union hacks “You Kidding Me” used the tactic of deflection and tried to make this about teachers. I’m happy to have the conversation. Teachers are part of the problem. They are not the biggest problem. Mr. Hobler can go back to his own blog and rant. I’m sure he and MS will have a good time chatting…like peas in a pod. 😉

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 31, 2009 @ 3:42 pm | Reply

  30. Maybe the release of the latest test scores has some feeling bold, after all they were up about 2 points. I’m still waiting on the defense of their job performance, not a defense of what their job entails. At least we know why the kids at S&S and Mc’Ds can’t make change…..less than 2/3 proficient. Talking about whining and excuses, that’s all the NEA roadies have done about having to be scored. The true purpose of most standardized testing is to check the system and the teachers, not the individual performance of a student.
    But, I digress, back to blaming the parents, the Governor, the bloggers here and anyone else who dares to question the “system”.

    Comment by RS — January 31, 2009 @ 3:50 pm | Reply

  31. The secret is to never try and defend the indefensible. So they don’t. Why do you think this blog is dominated by those unhappy with the Chariho’s performance? The defenders of the status quo don’t have any sane arguments for continuing on the same path.

    The defenders of the status quo have a reason for a continuation of the failure, but they can’t admit it to us and probably not even to themselves. There simply is no excuse for the dismal performance of Chariho or any other government school. Somebody like Fox…er, Mr. Nobler, and Mr. Petit before him, has nothing of substance to add because there is nothing of substance for them to say. They want the status quo to continue and since we theoretically might pose a threat, as transparency naturally does, they want us to keep our mouths shut. They can take solace in the fact that Chariho refuses to change, and children are still not adequately educated, despite our presence here. The Mr. Noblers of the world are winning.

    Comment by Curious Resident — January 31, 2009 @ 4:21 pm | Reply

  32. While the NECAP scores went up a bit, we have found that they don’t mean anything compared to anyone outside of RI. OSPRI published a report last year that showed reported NECAP scores are as much as 93% higher than NAEP scores would be (we have done this analysis in 7 states – MA is the best, MS worst). Research done this year shows another problem (and this will be published soon) while NECAP reading has gone up over the last 3 years, our NAEP scores are actually going down. So NECAP not only does not test what NAEP does, it also provides contradictory evidence on our progress on the No Child Left Behind goals.

    Comment by Bill Felkner — January 31, 2009 @ 5:01 pm | Reply

  33. Well, I have to say that I worked once where I left home on Sunday afternoon, fly to CA, worked Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday (at least 8 hrs a day), flew back on the “Red Eye”, and went to work Thursday morning, and then worked Friday. No overtime. 60 hour weeks were the norm. Average pay. I usually did this at least every third week, and traveled to other areas at times the other weeks.

    Comment by Dorothy — January 31, 2009 @ 8:00 pm | Reply


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