Chariho School Parents’ Forum

July 22, 2009

the numbers

Filed under: 1 — Editor @ 7:42 am

Lois asked where I got the starting salary from. That misses the point. THe starting salary to calculate pension liability would  be based on the ending salary of  each employee. Since some wont get their 20 years in for another 2 to 19 years, we don’t know what it would be. I used a number of $80k. People retiring today might be in the 70k range, people leaving in 10 years will probably be in the 90+ range. IF they retire in 19 years it will be much more.  That doesn’t really matter. But if someone wants to make an estimate of each employee’s ending salary some time in the future I can plug it into the spreadsheet. But  that’s not the point – the point is that defined benfit packages are incredibly more expensive than defined contribution plans.  So when I say the difference between our plan and a defined contribution plan is about $23m, that is very very low compared to what it will really be.

Also, it was disapointing to see the Westerly Sun article and that the HTC said “there were no raises the first year.” Look at the contract – an employee starting today will jump to the 2nd step next year. That will produce an increase (in the range of 7%).

There are some pockets where there were no raises, but its not everyone. So why did we say that?  I always  thought it was the “other towns” that pulled that BS – trying to hide the truth from the public. But maybe the HTC did say it and the paper didn’t report. Maybe someone who saw the meeting could tell us.

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  1. Bill, I respect your mission with our community and our state, but I don’t think it is missing the point to understand where you got your figures. So, here are some questions:

    What is the breakdown of this salary figure you came up with?

    What is the base salary?

    What is the longevity added in to it?

    What is the holiday figure?

    Did you verify these numbers with the retirement board?

    Why is the figure for 20 years? Perhaps I’m wrong here, but I was under the impression that officer Giorgetti has been there for more than 20 years? Which means he and the town has already paid in more. Could you verify this please.

    Also, the other officers, other than the ones that have been there as long as Giorgetti, would be the only ones at his level. The younger ones would not have so much longevity added to their salary. So, perhaps you shouldn’t be basing everything on Giorgetti’s figures, as they would be inflated because of longevity.

    Why wouldn’t we question these figures? State law calculates their retirement at half the initial figures you were using. Shouldn’t we then question all the figures? You’ve admitted your mistake. So, you can’t make anymore mistakes?

    Just like I question Tom, as he is my elected official, you are mine as well. I voted for you, so I will question you.

    Am I really missing the point?

    I’m not missing the point. You keep beating this drum. So, I will join in the chorus, even though I can’t sing. I believe people should have all the information, so that they can fully understand the figures. Plus, I am not one to take everything at face value. Never have been.

    I’m just trying to be thorough.

    Now, I am also under the impression that the state treasurer invests this money. I believe Caprio was very smart with the state’s monies invested prior to the crash last year and made the necessary adjustments to place the money in safer places. So, over time, and we are talking decades here, the money will be gaining interest. So, perhaps your figures are a worst case scenario. Could you explain how they actually invest and run the fund?

    Also, how much money has the town already saved for our officers retirement? They must have been paying something already. What interest have they earned here?

    Now, just like in the private sector, there is competition for jobs within police and schools. Communities have to offer incentives to get the best workers. Our police department gave up a biggie, longevity.

    Plus, Hopkinton police have no health insurance after retirement. Most other communities do. Other communities also have a more simplified retirement system. So, they pay retirement and lifetime health insurance. Health insurance is fluid. It hasn’t gone down. Let’s do the math on that too, so that the people of the town of Hopkinton can see what they are saving there.

    What are the options here? Challenge the contract? Risk losing what we gained in this contract? Because if arbitration is the way, then everything that was negotiated is likely out the door. Plus, the costs for arbitration can be excessive. What’s the cost to go to arbitration? What would be the cost if we lost longevity? 2% raise versus 12% raise? Is it worth the cost of arbitration? Think about it, raises down the road compounded on top of longevity? Then we would definitely be paying top dollar, right?

    This is in no way as simple as you make it out to be. So, let’s see what all our options are or could have been as a town.

    Whether you like my opinion or not, the town made out great with this contract. But, if you don’t think so, then that is your opinion. Let’s just be sure of all the figures and what all our options were and are for the future. There are future contracts, and other towns and cities that are indirectly involved in the process. If they make gains, then it will be easier for Hopkinton to make further gains. The other towns need to step up to the plate. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

    Life continues, and I have things to do. God bless you all. And don’t forget to have a good day.

    Lois

    Comment by Lois — July 22, 2009 @ 12:33 pm | Reply

  2. May you live in RI long enough to be part of the great retirement bankruptcy!

    Unless we forget, the state is still facing a 1/2 billion dollar defecit, and on top of last years defecit we have a 12% spending increase….when will you tax and spenders finally wake up…..after you moved to Florida I suppose.
    I am actively looking to move from RI, and my income is above the median, why do you folks want to chase the bread and butter from your tax rolls? Are the tax and spend crowd really that oblivious to the way finances and budgets work? Taxes are down, those items based on tax revenues must also follow…simple: just as when revenues are down in the private sector, the spending(including salaries) decreases. With 12% unemployment(the real number is higher), do we really think we will have trouble finding police, or we could cut the 3rd shift and the attrition will take care of itself.

    Comment by RS — July 22, 2009 @ 1:48 pm | Reply

  3. Being from Massachusetts and now seeing that Rhode Island is in even worse condition my plan is to be out of this state in about3 years time. My daughter will be out of college then and nothing to hold me back from getting the heck out of New England entirely.

    Comment by CharihoParent — July 22, 2009 @ 3:40 pm | Reply

  4. Oh, so just because I disagree with Bill and am asking for more information, then I am a tax and spender. Well, guess what, my hours are shorter and Tom’s wages are smaller, but hey, just tax us some more. We are glutton for punishment. Oh, please.

    I just want to see the exact numbers. That’s it. The past is historical. There should be a way to get that. I would like to see comparisons as to what choices we’ve made versus other towns that have taken different courses.

    Am I happy with the retirement system? No.

    But, let’s look at it this way. My husband’s 401K is not even a 201K. I think most people would agree with this.

    Now, let’s just look at removing longevity from the contract. Let’s take a younger police officer, and calculate from there. Let’s be sure of all the numbers. What’s the big deal in asking for the actuals. We demand this accountability from Chariho. Why is it different with Bill’s figures?

    Comment by Lois — July 22, 2009 @ 5:12 pm | Reply

    • It has nothing to do with “Bill’s numbers”, you(and your staff) have helped tremendously with those corrections…my death from heart attack has now been ruled just a major heart attack, but I’m still on life support. The tax and spend title comes from the attitude the system can’t be changed in one contract….I’m here to tell you in the private sector it happens all too often…bank sector, auto workers(except GM Gov’t Motors), airlines, steel industry….and I have first hand knowledge of this from many associates in some of these fields.

      I agree we should be looking at other towns and the associated costs, but to be fair we need to look at similar demographics and not just in RI(The Union controlled State), since most contracts have been whipsawed against each other to reach their lofty goals….just as the NEA does for the teachers contracts. We should also look at the overtime burden in these comparative towns, and not forget the costs structure of 2 shift departments(Richmond was when I lived there) and no shift departments(Exeter). A police contract should not be dicatating to the town how many shifts are to be manned….this is the union telling us how to run “our town”. Is this what we want? It seems to be what we have.

      Comment by RS — July 22, 2009 @ 6:12 pm | Reply

      • I don’t have a staff. (Just takes a little reading of the RIGL. Not a fun trip. Did this before when I researched the 5th and 6th grade issue in support of Bill’s position.) All I want is to understand the process and for other people to make informed decisions. It is that simple. Perhaps, I can learn something as well.

        The reality is it can’t be changed in one contract. (I consider myself a realist, but if labeling me is your pleasure, then so be it.) The all or nothing doesn’t work. People negotiate contracts. If not, it goes to arbitration and the arbitrator does our bidding for us. Case closed, and the town loses control.

        Comment by Lois — July 22, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

      • Just imagine, if negotiations were transparent, we would all know what is in the contract and what the process entails. Instead we debate over an issue which his moot….can’t be changed if we wanted it to, only the players on the town’s side…and this is at some distant date in the future.
        Guess we’ll just have to wait for our next tax increases! Too bad the 5.5% cap doesn’t apply to the mil rate instead of the spending cap, the new lower asessments we will be seeing in our property values would sure put a crimp on the spend, spend, spend program. Of course we can just apply for emergency relief and forgoe the cap…..its nothing more than feel good legistlation.

        I sure wish I could find relief for my budget…..oh yeh, if my property weren’t devalued due to the tax structure and spending habits of the town, I might actually be able to sell my property, but I digress. I wonder if the open space bond folks would want to buy my property?

        Comment by RS — July 22, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

  5. Get the numbers together, approach the legislature, prove your point. Opinions are worth the paper they are printed on. Just the facts ma’am/sir is what I want.

    Comment by Lois — July 22, 2009 @ 5:16 pm | Reply

    • The legislature is a big NO SHOW on the pension debate…….didn’t we follow this topic during the ’09 session. As long as the unions are the largest PAC donors, you won’t be changing this one….at least until the bankruptcy judge steps in … see CA(our destiny).

      Comment by RS — July 22, 2009 @ 5:58 pm | Reply

      • Unfortunately, you may be right on the legislature. Let’s hope that people have the guts to vote them all out, except for Maher.

        Comment by Lois — July 22, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

  6. not exactly, Lois. At least not according to Kinder. When DeLibero and I met with him he said binding arbitration wasn’t really binding but the union would still fight it just to make us spend the money. I don’t like being blackmailed and considering we could save about $20 million if we changed the pension, I say fight it. But as you can guess, I was out voted 4-1 (not votes, ‘consensus’ that way you the public don’t get to know about it)

    Comment by Editor — July 23, 2009 @ 11:02 am | Reply

  7. and drastic changes do happen – look at EP. Went from an average of 9% raises to a 5% cut (14% swing in salary).

    We went from an average of about 7% raies to 5%. Big woop. And because we built the longevity into salary (thus creating more steps) we will pay more in the long run because of this compounding.Not sure why Tom said it would save us in the long run. I showed them the spreadsheet months ago that that was not true.

    In EP copays went from 0% to 20%. Our copays went from 10% to 12, 13, 14. Another minor change (each percent is worth about $12 per month. Another big woop.

    And our contract was expired at the time we signed the new one, so there was nothing stopping us from doing it except a fear of spending money on a lawyer.

    Again, which would be a bargain considering the $ we could have saved. These things will continue until a council has the courage to stand up and say “NO”

    REmember, this is a police force with 2 lawsuits and probably another one coming. A PD where the AG’s office said theres is major problems. And we reward them with this contract.

    Speaking of corruption, I got an anonomoys packet in the mail with a pile of other allegations. I am so embarrased to be from Hopkinton – hopefullly this will be fully investigated and not brushed under the rug. And I hope the lawsuite are taken to the full extent and not settled as that will just add to the auro of corruption in HOpkinton.

    Comment by Editor — July 23, 2009 @ 11:12 am | Reply

    • First of all, by your comments about the police force you singled out all of them. There may be 1 or 2 bad apples, but let the courts do their jobs. Innocent until proven guilty. If all the allegations are true, then they will get their due punishment.

      Don’t know what packet you are talking about, but if Tom got one, I’m sure I’ll hear about it soon. But, I’m sure that if allegations are made, then those defendents should have a right to defend themselves before the smear job is done.

      Personally, there are a lot of great, hardworking, honest people in Hopkinton. I am proud of them and my community. Is it perfect? No. But is any community? Maybe a deserted island somewhere.

      And as far as your meeting with Kinder, what did he say about longevity?

      I thought longevity was a pet peeve of yours. Now its gone and you are still not happy. Yes, those that already had the longevity added from previous years did not lose it, no duh, but from July 1st on it is gone and it will not be added anymore. No more double digit raises.

      “Worse yet, in 3-6 years, what’s to stop the police from getting longevity back? Arbitrators, by definition, judge based on what everyone else gets. BF”

      This is why I stated that the other communities have to step up to the plate. Otherwise, what’s gained today will be lost. Use your influence with the other communities. Show them what Hopkinton accomplished. Well, nevermind because you don’t think anything was accomplished.

      You want it all, and I don’t think your reasoning would have gotten us anything. Arbitrators do what? Give us what everyone is getting. Almost all are getting health insurance after retirement. All are getting some type of defined retirement plan through the state. Most are getting some type of longevity. Your negotiating would have gotten us nothing, as the arbitrators would have sided with the majority. Now, Hopkinton still has no health after retirement and now no longevity.

      You would have settled for no police force, right? You’ve singled them all out as corrupt, right? “We reward them with this contract. BF” Those are your words. I do not see how objective you could have been.

      I’m done discussing this topic. It is really up to residents to decide for themselves. If someone wants to go back to a part-time or non-existent force, then they better be ready to explain their reasoning and provide hard data as to what it would cost the town to increase state police presence. Would this involve revision to the charter? Wouldn’t it also have to be approved by the state? I should think that the council does not have that authority alone.

      Comment by Lois — July 23, 2009 @ 3:51 pm | Reply

  8. Lois, you said, “Now, let’s just look at removing longevity from the contract.”

    We did not remove longevity. we built it into the salary, now we call it ‘steps’ – its the same amount but worse it will compound on itself rather than being a bonus.

    If I was making $50k and got a 3% raise and a 10% longevity it would work out like this – next year they would get 50k plus the 5k longevity and 3% raise on top of the 50k. But now the longevity is built in so the salary is 55k and they will get the 3% raise on that. 3% of 50k is $1500 – plus 10% of 50k is 5000. That makes the total year increase 6500 – making the take home $56,500. But now the longevity is built in so last year they made 50k but now 55k plus the 3% (1650) for a total takehome of $56,650.

    Worse yet, in 3-6 years, what’s to stop the police from getting longevity back? Arbitrators, by definition, judge based on what everyone else gets.

    What we needed to do was create a merit based contract, not seniority based. Until then its all window dressing.

    the only benefit is that steps skips some years (6-9 as an example). So thats good.

    Bottom line is we pay some of the top wages in the state and we have the most generous pension. Idon’t call that a good contract, at leeast not for the taxpayers. At this rate we will be bankrupt by the time we fix anything.

    Comment by Editor — July 23, 2009 @ 11:27 am | Reply

    • …and to think, my last raise was in 2001, and yes that is A.D., not B.C.

      I know, I’m a fool for being part of the private sector and a believer in capitalism. If only companies had the ability of unlimited revenue(taxes).

      Comment by RS — July 23, 2009 @ 1:12 pm | Reply

    • Steps aren’t a new thing.

      Comment by Lois — July 23, 2009 @ 3:54 pm | Reply

  9. RS, in Ohio, a janitor job at the school drew 700 applicants. I think we could cut wages 20% and still have more than enough qualified applicants. But who wants to upset our beloved police? You know, the ones who are going to cost the town a ton of money because of all these lawsuits. We are a joke! I hope someone does a news story on us when it all breaks

    Comment by Editor — July 23, 2009 @ 11:32 am | Reply

    • This is the point I was trying to make, the economy is down, unemployment is high, people are taking pay cuts, their investments are in terrible straits, taxes are increasing and the workers of our town who produce very little(if any) income want raises aa a time whne the ones they work for are overburdened and strapped.

      Is this the fairness the unions always talk about when they complain about the towns wanting cuts, or even just a status quo contract.

      As a union member myself, the municipal unions of our town and state are rapidly losing any and all support from me. The scenario we find ourselves in is nothing but GREED.

      Comment by RS — July 23, 2009 @ 1:21 pm | Reply

    • I guess if you have friends on the force, or one of those have a “get out of jail free” card, then the police might be beloved….I never thought of a police force in such terms.

      Comment by RS — July 23, 2009 @ 1:24 pm | Reply

      • Neither have I.

        Comment by Lois — July 23, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

  10. Lois, I don’t have the time to do math problems that don’t matter. But if you want to I will certainly post it for you. The payroll is linked on the post – I didn’t add holiday as I didn’t have the numbers (and again, it doesn’t matter). How will you determine what the raises will be in 5 years? 10? You can’t, thats why you use low estimates, I used very low estimates. We have people retiring right now with salaries fo 70k – I used 80k because we know they are giong to go up. What will the average be in 20 years? 100k? 20 years ago it was 30k.

    So you tell me what numbers you want to use and I can do the math to show how much more we spend in a defined benefit package versus a defined contribution package. It’s HUGE regardless of what estimates you start with. Do you acknoledge that?

    Comment by Editor — July 23, 2009 @ 11:40 am | Reply

    • So, you and I will have a difference of opinion. I think it matters.

      Also, I would also like to understand the retirement system. You try to tell us what Hopkinton’s liability is without explaining what the past gains or losses are with the pension program. CharihoParent mentioned the losses since January, but this in no way mentions what the system gained during the last 5, 10, or 15 years.

      Anyways, I am done. I am not getting my answers. I will try to do my own research on the pension fund.

      Have a nice day!
      Lois

      Comment by Lois — July 23, 2009 @ 4:14 pm | Reply

  11. Gene, thats what happens. we give away longevity because pay was low. They got pay high, but longevity stays. Negotiators in 6 to 9 years won’t know that we cut longevity in exchange for something. So they will try to put it back in.

    Comment by Editor — July 23, 2009 @ 11:43 am | Reply

  12. For 3 years none of this matters, and then without transparency and openness in negotiations, we will be in the exact same spot as we are today( and obviously have been for quite some time), only my taxes will be higher, the town workers will be richer and the rest of us will be the dupes. The same players will be making the same excuses and the end result will be a union controlled town…why don’t we get rid of all the TC and every other committee and just let the unions take over…they do it now…at least then people will be able to make an informed decision before moving to Hopelesskinton without the delusion there is actually someone driving the train on its way to the trainwreck.

    Comment by RS — July 23, 2009 @ 5:11 pm | Reply

  13. Scott Bill Hirst will save us.

    Comment by george abbott — July 23, 2009 @ 6:29 pm | Reply

    • Obama has already saved us. Haven’t you noticed. Happy days are here again!

      Comment by RS — July 23, 2009 @ 7:28 pm | Reply

  14. I expect you to George, you silly Abbott. Tricks are for kids.

    Comment by Nate — July 23, 2009 @ 6:39 pm | Reply

  15. Sounds like George A in comment #13 is upset he was the bottom vote getter in Hopkinton. You’ll be moving out with the rest of us unless your pension has cola’s and everything else that climbs up on our backs like everyone else who pays the freight.
    So George, are you a State or Federal worker? Only ones guess. How do we become part of your club? Do you have meetings at your house? Is that incense burning?

    Comment by Sandy — July 23, 2009 @ 7:47 pm | Reply

    • It’s going to be tough to move without taking a loss on your real estate…the numbers are starting to trend upward again, but the next rate reset(varialbles) is just around the corner and the Fed is having a difficult time trying to keep the rates from rising. This could be round 2 of the distressed sales business.

      http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/07/house-prices-pl.html

      Comment by RS — July 23, 2009 @ 7:53 pm | Reply

  16. Lois, we didn’t get rid of longevity. We built it into the salary and now call it steps. Postive is that it doesn’t apply every year, bad side is it increases the gross of which the percentage increase is added to.

    Comment by Editor — July 23, 2009 @ 7:55 pm | Reply

  17. HiSandy.I’m willing to help you run if you want to.

    Comment by george abbott — July 23, 2009 @ 8:21 pm | Reply

  18. For what (?) George A. council or fool committee?. I appreciate you standing your ground but my limited history of this site is you and Mr. Hirst are normally on the same page. Don’t always read so maybe you had a or have a difference of opinion on many town/school aspects in recent reports. Bill D and Andy P support their lower (Town)taxes and spin it it is all about the kids and no one buys it in Richmond or Charlestown. Run a monkey and get elected in those towns. Glad we have you though you may think I disagree with you. They are about their tax bottom line. It’s documented over the past twenty years.
    Your a breathe of Fresh Air, just didn’t or don’t understand the Scott Bill Hirst dig, Please advise?. Thank you Sir. I’m guessing you haven’t become a Day/Polouski Monkey.

    Comment by Sandy — July 23, 2009 @ 8:46 pm | Reply

  19. Getting rid of longevity to is the key to true pension reform.Longevity was enacted back in the 1930’s ,when state workers actually made less pay than mill workers.When the teachers and state workers were unionized in the 50’s and 60’s any gains were added to the benefits from the old civil service system.This is about when government workers pay and benefits began to exceed the compensation paid to many private sector workers.

    Comment by george abbott — July 23, 2009 @ 9:11 pm | Reply

  20. Got to love unfunded pension liabilities:

    http://www.projo.com/news/content/PROVIDENCE_PENSION_PAYMENTS_07-23-09_G8F4VHM_v27.36f23bb.html

    Comment by Gene Daniell — July 23, 2009 @ 10:17 pm | Reply

    • Also known as a debt the future genenrations are going to have to pay……poor kids in RI won’t have a chance between the state and federal debts they will be paying, why work.

      It seems to have worked for Congressman Patrick Kennedy all his life.

      Comment by RS — July 23, 2009 @ 10:42 pm | Reply

  21. Hi!
    George Abbott is a friend and is not given his due. The real issue is this: Who is willing to get the facts and act on them? George has gone against the tide at Chariho. While we both ran on the GOP ticket in 2008 for Hopkinton Town Council he was pro bond, and myself against.
    I think it is HIGHLY UNFORTUNATE that something like a management study did not go through more easily at Chariho. This is not partisan.I think Rich Vecchio, an independent; Georgia Ure and Deb Carney, Democrats, as well as Mr. Abbott, a Republican at least ask questions on the school committee and not afraid to go against the tide.
    I am busying myself with the Ashaway Fire District,the Hopkinton Republican Town Committee, and the Hopkinton Historical Association, in town.
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — July 24, 2009 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  22. Fair play to you Mr. Scott Bill, I read somewhere that Scott was your Grand Mothers maiden name and Bill was your mothers maiden name, that aside you’ve brought a lot to the table. Don’t always agree but when I step back and take stock you are ‘an authority/historian’ though I may wince at That when it doesn’t go my way. The truth is the truth. More so then the other ‘historians’/revisionist ‘what suits their arguemen which may/will vary to their affect Andy and Bill.Phonies at the expense of the tri town tax payers. Your a actual historian not someone that wants to re write history to make us gag.

    We went to school together many years ago, and know that you were always in the books and though shund athletics had your role in the real word.

    Good Luck

    Comment by Nate — July 26, 2009 @ 1:19 pm | Reply

  23. Hi!
    No one is perfect! I am presently occupied with the GOP, the Ashaway Fire District, genealogy, history, Freemasonry and the Grange. Eisenhower who was not a politician in a professional sense proved to be a great President. I believe he is ranked tenth and we have had over forty. He remarked about about no party having a monopoly on wisdom or something along those lines.
    What concerns me is not difference of opinion but those who do not seek the facts. They engage is some remark about being for education or the kids. We need to have people who have the curiousity to ask questions and try to get answers. We today expend tremendous amounts for money on education. The real question is lack of funding been the real problem? The Rhode Island State Constitution specifically says the Rhode Island General Assembly shall promote education. I contend they (state legislature), have come up short, time and again! Whether a child lives in Chariho, the inner city like Central Falls or Providence, or a wealthier community like Barrington or East Greenwich, or somewhere in between they are all Rhode Island’s children.
    The teacher’s union almost nearly totally supports the Democrats. The Republicans in the state legislature are only ten in over a hundred members! They have not controlled the House of Representatives since 1939-41; and you might know, that revenue bills originate in that body of the Rhode Island General Assembly. 1939 was SEVENTY YEARS ago this year!
    We need serious property tax relief in our cities and towns, demand accountability in our schools, and we need a dependable state aid formula for education! State aid has been impacted by growing your tax base. Remember one of the reasons Charlestown has got less state aid, is its large assessable base of property.
    The fact of the mater is this: The Democrats control overwhelmingly both houses of the Rhode Island General Assembly, the Governor’s veto power can easily be overidden.
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — July 27, 2009 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

  24. So as a life long democrat, we do have to remember that their is not universal issue agreement amonst all in one party, I’m sure there are equivalent situations for republicans in other states. And frankly a dem in RI is not too similar with a dem in Texas.

    The dilemma you see in RI is which traditional dem group has the most pull with leadership.it’s remarkable how a well run base can exert super majority control. I don’t blame the democrats, I blame the voters for not paying attention. When the voters turnout for a non-presidential primary is 20%?? It’s not hard to see how a motivated minority can take control. This all legit, they play the game very well, power to them.

    What’s it take to get a average voter mad enough to turn out? Cranston’s financial position a few years ago got the dems thumped by Laffey. I wish I knew how close to the line we are on a state basis, I bet it’s close. What happens to the budget if the stimulus dollars don’t show up? I regret the stimulus money came, it enabled us to dig the hole bigger with our kids money. The bubble gets bigger very time you don’t deal with realities.

    Comment by Gene Daniell — July 27, 2009 @ 3:11 pm | Reply

  25. Hi!
    It though is interesting that Rhode Island reportedly is the only state without a dependable state aid formula for education, when a number of educators or their close allies, are members of the Rhode Island General Assembly are connected to labor/teachers, and considering the power of the legislative leadership which party is overwhelmingly supported by these interests has not addressed that problem!
    Cranston historically by and large for decades favored Republicans for Mayor. Of course there have been some exceptions, through the decades!
    Regards,
    Scott

    Comment by Scott Bill Hirst — July 27, 2009 @ 4:11 pm | Reply


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